Theda Skocpol

And I ended up playing a big role sort of as a spokesperson almost on the outside, going on TV, going on the radio, writing articles, putting things up on Twitter, RIP, trying to play a big outside game.

And partially, I did that because one of the conclusions from the Waxman-Markey bill that a bunch of analysts, including my husband, Matt O'Mildenberger, and the Harvard professor, Theda Skocpol, did is that we didn't have enough of an outside game during the Waxman-Markey era.

There wasn't enough unity on the outside.

And so we built coalitions.

I mean, this is the thing about NGOs.

So Theda Skocpol and a lot of American political science has written extensively about this.

is that they're kind of advocates without members.

They don't even have a representative base.