The Ultimates

It's like, and, you know, eventually, it's like, And even though it's, like, you know, it offered, like, a, like, you know, continuity-free approach to, like, two, like, familiar Marvel heroes, like, you know, Spider-Man and X-Men, that, you know, maybe weren't, like, necessarily expected to exceed the level that they did, but they did.

And Spider-Man and X-Men just, you know, turned out to be, like, you know, like, big, like, you know, huge, like, huge hits, and then eventually gave way to, like, you know, stuff like the Ultimates, which, from what I understand, like, you know, was not originally meant to be, like, you know, Ultimate Avengers, because, you know, like, some people at Marvel were just saying, oh, no, you can't do that, but then like, you know, like Mark Miller and Brian Hitch, so, okay, well, we'll just do this thing called the Ultimates, you know, and wind up influencing the Marvel Cinematic Universe, like, for the better and all.

So, like, you know, like, Ultimate Marvel, it's like, I've got a lot of, like, you know, goodwill towards this imprint, and even though, you know, by the time that it ended, like, when, um, like when, when Marvel did like, it's, uh, like, um, like current generation of secret, secret wars.

Like I was like, you know, I was still kind of like, you know, fine, like fine with that because it like, like it was, uh, it's like the, the novelty had, like, had kind of, kind of, had, had worn off.

It's like, and, and there was like, you know, no point in, in continuing it, like, as well.

It's like, it basically, you know, accumulated its own level of continuity that, um, basically kind of, you know, was basically like, you know, like proving to be a drag on it as the, uh, as like, as a mainline, um, universe, universe was.

I mean, like, there were like, you know, some, like, you know, like, improvements on Brian Wood's Ultimate X-Men and Hickman's brief stint on the Ultimates before Marvel said, hey, we want you to do Avengers that will eventually tie into the ultimate death of the Ultimate Universe.

So there you go.

Bryan Hitch got your notice with Authority.

He broke through the noise, but then he solidified his superstar status with The Ultimates and The Ultimates 2, and, uh, what are viewed as seminal works for Marvel Comics.

He is no longer, other than some covers.

Uh, which, which, guys, uh, I...

Uh, Hickman would go on to divulge how there were always plans for an event at the end of the second year of the Ultimate Universe, and while some titles would end, new ones would be launched, and others would just switch creative teams.

Instead, the creators were told late in these stories' lifespans that they were going to end instead of it being a natural conclusion or even the continuation that they intended.

Uh, Dennis Camp, uh, it confirms what Ultimates writer Dennis Camp had said on social media when the ending was announced, uh, but Hickman's comments add another layer to what we knew at the time.

It fills in the gaps around the decision.