The Listeners

He's a two-time winner of the Governor General Award for the Arts along the way.

You might be familiar with his novel The Listeners from a few years back, which was shortlisted for the prestigious Giller Prize, became an opera and a TV show.

I should say, if you're not familiar with it, uh, I, I would love for you to get familiar with it because it's one of my favorite Canadian novels ever.

And Jordan's latest novel is also so brilliant.

I mean, the, the experience of doing it was so fun and so edifying that I just kept doing it, and I just kind of progressively got a little bit better at it and a bit more professional, although I think it's still, I, I wouldn't say I try to be too professional.

[laughs] I think if keep, keeping, embracing the, the spirit of the eternal amateur I think has a lot of value.

But does, but does that get tougher when you get a big hit? Like, for people who don't know, you mean, you wrote The, The Listeners.

I mean, it's one of my favorite novels of, of all time, but also, like, a, a bestselling novel all over the world.