The Fourth Turning
Book by Neil Howe and William StraussWikipedia
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Oct 1, 2026
Ryan McCormickHOST
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Ryan McCormickHOST
She's a three-time author, and her latest book is called Changemaker, a modern playbook for creating personal impact and transformational change.
Ryan McCormickHOST
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Jacqueline CorbelliGUEST
Thank you for having me.
Jacqueline CorbelliGUEST
Okay, therefore, what do we do? And I think more along the lines of, what are we going to do coming from this place of, you know, deep awareness of what's happening around us? If that makes any sense at all,
Ryan McCormickHOST
right? It makes total sense.
Ryan McCormickHOST
And I think about this book called Blink.
Ryan McCormickHOST
Malcolm Gladwell.
Ryan McCormickHOST
She is a transformational leader, entrepreneur, and change maker.
Ryan McCormickHOST
She's a three time author, and her latest book is called Changemaker: A Modern Playbook for Creating Personal Impact and Transformational Change.
Ryan McCormickHOST
You can learn more about Ms. Corbelli by going to her website at jacquelinecorbelli.com. Ms. Corbelli, welcome to the show.
Jacqueline CorbelliGUEST
Thank you for having me.
Jacqueline CorbelliGUEST
Uh, m- a l- a lot of times when, uh, and, and I, and I'm in conversations like this a lot, m- many people are deep thinkers and analyze a situation beautifully m- but then there is that sort of pause and breath, "Okay, therefore, what do we do?" And, and I think more along the lines of what are we going to do coming from this place of, you know, deep awareness of what's happening around us? If that makes any sense at all, Ryan.
Ryan McCormickHOST
Yep, it makes total sense.
Ryan McCormickHOST
And I think about, uh, this book called Blink, Malcolm Gladwell.
Jacqueline CorbelliGUEST
I read it.
David RutherfordHOST
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David RutherfordHOST
So as I was scrolling through the other day, I came across this great video this young guy did about this fantastic book, and, uh, and you've probably heard of it, but, um, it's called The Fourth Turning.
David RutherfordHOST
And, and I had, I had heard about it here and there.
David RutherfordHOST
People, a lot of podcasters have done shows about this theory, uh, from these two guys, William Strauss and Neil Howe, and this book was published in 1997.
David RutherfordHOST
And, um, you know, there's a...
David RutherfordHOST
How- Howe did a follow-up book called, uh, The Fourth Turning, and it's-- The Fourth Turning is Here, uh, and published that in '23.
David RutherfordHOST
And, and so that's one making the rounds as well again too.
David RutherfordHOST
But essentially what these guys break down is that in American history, we live in these cycles, 80 to 100 year cycles.
Sep 30 · 3 Mentions
Top 50%Whitney WalkerHOST
They'll see that there is truly something incredible here.
Jake EagleGUEST
Not only that, but I don't know if you're familiar with The Fourth Turning.
Jake EagleGUEST
It's a book that was written by Neil Howe, and I can't remember his name.
Whitney WalkerHOST
Yeah.
Jake EagleGUEST
So The Fourth Turning, I won't go into a lot of information, but The Fourth Turning basically identifies these four stages that humanity goes through, and a full cycle takes about 80 years.
Jake EagleGUEST
And we are in The Fourth Turning now, the last 20 years of a cycle.
Jake EagleGUEST
And that period is extremely chaotic, which I think people can attest to, right? Very chaotic.
Jake EagleGUEST
And we have to go through that and come out of it by creating new systems and new leadership and new institutions and new methods that allow us to renew ourselves, almost as if we start afresh, right? And that's what's coming.
David RutherfordHOST
So as I was scrolling through the other day, I came across this great video this young guy did about this fantastic book.
David RutherfordHOST
And you've probably heard of it, but it's called The Fourth Turning.
David RutherfordHOST
And I had heard about it here and there.
David RutherfordHOST
People, a lot of podcasters have done shows about this theory from these two guys, William Strauss and Neil Howe.
David RutherfordHOST
And this book was published in 1997.
David RutherfordHOST
And, um, you know, there's a, how, how did a follow-up book called, uh, the fourth turning and it's the fourth turning is here, uh, and published that in 23.
David RutherfordHOST
And so that's one making the rounds as well again, too.
David RutherfordHOST
But essentially what these guys break down is that in American history, we live in these cycles, 80 to 100-year cycles.
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
But guess what? We're 80-plus years out now from the Second World War, and we're dunking ourselves again.
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
This is sort of Neil, Neil Howe's idea of the Fourth Turning.
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
And so I would just submit to all of our Americans out there listening, we've been in worse situations, pulled ourselves out of those worse situations, and rose to higher levels, and I think we have the ingredients in the country to do that.
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
But one of the reasons why I wanted to write the book is I think the first step to healing and making something better is to explain what happened and how it happened, and then offer some policy solutions at the end, which is what I tried to achieve here.
James ConnorHOST
And you mentioned Neil Howe's book.
James ConnorHOST
Um, do you think we're going through the Fourth Turning right now?
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
You know, I do.
Anthony ScaramucciGUEST
I do feel like there are elements of that, and I think that there's gonna be generational change.
Jacquelyn MelinekHOST
What's the timeline for that? Because we're already seeing it happen, right? But like when it all will occur to that comment from Larry Fink.
Gregg BellGUEST
I love Neil Howe's book, The Fourth Turning.
Gregg BellGUEST
And I think we are somewhat in a fourth turning where there's rapid change of development of technology and adoption of that technology.
Gregg BellGUEST
We're seeing policy now converge with capital markets.
Darius DaleHOST
Things that aren't normal happen way more frequently than we allow ourselves to believe over time.
Darius DaleHOST
So Principles for Life and Work by Ray Dalio, Principles for Navigating Big Debt Crises by Ray Dalio, Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order, Why Nations Succeed and Fail by Ray Dalio, The Fourth Turning, a book written by my former colleague and one of my mentors, Neil Howe, The Fourth Turning is here, also a Neil Howe book as well.
Darius DaleHOST
And then again, Ages of Discord and End Times by Peter Turchin.
Darius DaleHOST
Again, you need to understand that the world changes.
David KnightHOST
That's hurting the world," said Trump.
David KnightHOST
Really? Says the one-man OPEC embargo, the one-man Great Depression, the one-man WW three, World War III, and the one-man Fourth Turning.
David KnightHOST
He's done all this stuff.
David KnightHOST
He said, um, uh, "That's a case that hurts the world, and we've got to stop it." Well, okay, it's just the diesel, then that's the only issue.
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David KnightHOST
Anyway, so he's right there at the turning point of this.
David KnightHOST
He's all about the generations, isn't he? And it's amazing to me to see that as well, because people talk about all these different generations, Gen Z, Gen X, millennials, boomers, so forth.
David KnightHOST
And yet they don't talk about the central thesis of Strauss and Howe, the fourth turning.
David KnightHOST
Like I said, they don't see the forest for the trees.
Darius DaleGUEST
Default via debasement could take many forms, but typically it involves some expansion of the monetary base for the central, for the monetary authority to, uh, to remove, uh, and warehouse the risk from the rest of, uh, capital markets.
Darius DaleGUEST
And then ultimately, once that plays out, you know, we've seen a few, quite a few extreme examples throughout history whereby you do too much paradigm D and you upset the apple cart from an inflation standpoint, and ultimately you wind up with major political realignment and total war, which is actually quite consistent with Neil Howe's Fourth Turning framework.
Darius DaleGUEST
My former colleague and one of my mentors, Neil Howe, his Fourth Turning framework would kind of align on, on paradigm E as well.
Darius DaleGUEST
So that's where we think we're headed.
Darius DaleGUEST
We're in paradigm C now.
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Adam TaggartHOST
Um, I was actually just at a presentation last night by Jonathan Turley, where he was, you know, basically talking about the American Revolution and then kind of comparing and contrasting to where we are today, and a lot of the questions that came up there was about sort of the decline of society right now and, uh, certainly a lot of the issues with our education system.
Adam TaggartHOST
And, you know, we've essentially overproduced a bunch of degreed, credentialed people who can't get jobs or at least can't get on the, uh, o- o- o- o- on the, the lifestyle track that they wanna get on.
Adam TaggartHOST
So we seem to just have a breeding ground for a lot of the things that you just posted there that, that tend to happen in these type of Fourth Turnings.