The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma
Book by Bessel van der Kolk
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Sep 13, 2026
DavidGUEST
She gave me homework and I did it because I was used to doing homework.
DavidGUEST
She introduced me to a brilliant book which I read by van der Kolk, The Body Keeps the Score.
DavidGUEST
And he explained how trauma affects the brain and it affects the body.
DavidGUEST
And this just sent me down this real rabbit hole of really investigating trauma.
Kyrus Keenan WestcottHOST
Yeah.
Kyrus Keenan WestcottHOST
There's a book called The Body Keeps the Score by researcher Bessel van der Kolk.
Kyrus Keenan WestcottHOST
And he writes in this book, like in that book, he leans heavily on feeling seen and safe in relationships with others.
Kyrus Keenan WestcottHOST
And your work seems to live right inside of that truth, this practice of witnessing yourself and being witnessed.
Jim ToombsGUEST
But what drives all of this is a great book that was written a few years ago by a named Vander Kolk.
Jim ToombsGUEST
He wrote a book called The Body Keeps the Score.
Jim ToombsGUEST
And so that's the hint for what's going on today whenever I talk about people who can't remember.
Jim ToombsGUEST
So how do you remember what you can't remember? There's something we do in EMDR.
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Jim ToombsGUEST
But loving rules, though you can't go outside, it's too dark, it's too cold, it's too raining, it's too scary, whatever.
Jim ToombsGUEST
me taking care of you
Steve HarperHOST
always love talking with you like like we're both thinking about something right now like i wonder if that applies um but certainly the somatic connection to the childhood profound uh i'm i'm gonna read that book i don't i can't believe i haven't read it the body keeps the score
Jim ToombsGUEST
yeah i would encourage you to you'll find it really refreshing
Olivia GiovettiHOST
How little they pay attention or how little they want to believe in it.
Olivia GiovettiHOST
Think about someone like Bessel van der Kolk, who in The Body Keeps the Score is referring to things like Rorschach tests and recovered memory therapy, which were completely debunked decades before he wrote that book.
Olivia GiovettiHOST
And yet he's 100 percent still bought in on that.
Olivia GiovettiHOST
You know, doesn't want to let go of that.
Curtis McCollumHOST
The true task was subtraction, systematically releasing the interference, holding him back.
Curtis McCollumHOST
When we look at outside validation of this, in trauma neurobiology, Dr. Bessel van der Kork, the author of The Body Keeps Score, proved that past setbacks, betrayals, and professional stress don't just disappear with time.
Curtis McCollumHOST
They become a somatic holding pattern stored directly in your nervous system.
Curtis McCollumHOST
You see, your body continues to respond as if the old threats are still present, creating constant internal bracing.
Michael AylingGUEST
And when people are in that hyper-suggestible, cognitively flexible state of hypnosis, they can more readily accept them and incorporate them.
Michael AylingGUEST
And so Dr. Yapko, my principal trainer, was the thorn in the side of Bessel van der Kolk, who's the man who wrote The Body Keeps the Score.
Michael AylingGUEST
um because of the danger of false memory and in the 80s and 90s there were therapists out there saying they could tell people had trauma because of their gait or of it or ticks to their voice so they would just project and self-reference their own biases onto the patients and then using hypnosis would would come on we need to tease out this abuse it's somewhere otherwise you wouldn't be seeing this thing and so it's it's very very powerful and and I'm pleased to say Yapco's argument has come out on top.
Michael AylingGUEST
And so it's very uncommon that hypnosis will be used in forensics and only then in some states of the US and only then with a psychiatrist with extensive training.
Jim CurtisGUEST
Oh, and we disregard the placebo effect as just something that we do.
Jim CurtisGUEST
But what if we really focused on it and said the mind-body connection is some of the most powerful connection that we have, and we can not only change our life and our body through it, like Bruce Lipton says or, or Van de Kamp with The Body Keeps the Score, but w- then we can also change our reality.
Jamie Kern LimaHOST
Jim, you have lived through ...
Jamie Kern LimaHOST
You've, you know, e- everyone, pretty much 100% of people, have some type of physical health challenge or mental health challenge that they're dealing with.
Gabby BernsteinGUEST
Yeah.
Shivani PauHOST
Is it sometimes easier to just forget? I know, I mean, I'm a big, I'm a big fan of the, you know, the work that, um, I forgot his name now, but he wrote The Body Keeps the Score.
Gabby BernsteinGUEST
Yeah, Bessel van der Kolk.
Shivani PauHOST
The Body Keeps the Score.
Shivani PauHOST
Yeah.
Shivani PauHOST
I think it's 100% true, but you know, in your case you didn't address it for 36 years.
Gerard McNicholasGUEST
Mm
Greg BataroHOST
... which is what Van Der Kolk talks about in The Body Keeps the Score.
Greg BataroHOST
There's all these connections here that, that JP II is actually creating this cohesive system that he says that this stuff in the subconscious below the threshold of conscious awareness has a, an inner dynamism towards expression in the light of consciousness-
Gerard McNicholasGUEST
Mm
Justin SmithGUEST
So that's already, you know, a tick against you.
Justin SmithGUEST
In the book, The Body Keeps the Score, the guy who discovered PTSD talks about that has actually set you back in terms of emotional regulation and your ability to self-soothe.
Justin SmithGUEST
So, you know, from there forward, it's hard to describe because there was a soccer coach I had that pulled my hair.
Justin SmithGUEST
You know, there were other things that happened.
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