Texas Commerce Bank

They needed to go to work.

They went to work as, as an assistant to some low-level person at Texas Commerce Bank or somewhere else, and somebody started figuring out this person's got some snap, and they end up the right-hand man to the, the powerful person, and they have a lot more power than, than, than you would imagine.

And I realized in a situation like that is she doesn't get the respect she deserves because it's mostly men coming in here.

At that time, it's mostly men coming in here, and the man is coming in very nervous about meeting Ken Lay, uh, or Chuck Watson or, uh, Bob McNair.

Now, they could have bank holding companies that owned multiple banks, but they all had to have their own board of directors, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So for example, at that time, Texas Commerce Bank had a number of subsidiaries.

First City had a number of subsidiaries.

So what we started doing was opening other banks.