Tessa Dunlop

Yeah.

Did they? Aye, Tessa.

Scottish independence immediately! Blocked

capitals.

I can't believe as a down-the-line Thatcherite conservative, how much I still miss hearing our former Home Secretary's take on the news and life in general.

Well, that episode will be released in the next few weeks.

That's not to say that I don't also love this podcast with the inspired and passionate Dr Tessa Dunlop, even if she is wrong about most subjects discussed.

Sorry, Tessa.

But if you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression, you can't really try and say that this sort of thing should be banned.

It's yet another edition of Where Politics Meets History with Lady Tessa Dunlop, because it can only be a matter of time, and the veritable, clad in ermine, Lord Ian Dale.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

We are going to be talking about Britishness and... all matters identity framed against what's kicking off literally in europe and whether britishness is exceptional this ties back to our conversation last week doesn't it in about why only half of brits said they would fight in a war i've got reassuring news on that front uh tracking all the way back to the second world war what else have we got on the agenda today

None of it makes them heroes.

As Tessa, Dr. Tessa Dunlop says, quote, "Their great mistake was that they went too far.

They were murderers in the end".

Behind the sharp suits and famous photographs, they, there were real people who suffered, George Cornell, Jack McVitie, Frances Shea.

Doesn't have to be brilliant, just reasonably competent, and so far I can't see who that's going to be.

[upbeat music] Welcome to yet another episode of Where Politics Meets History with Tessa Dunlop and me, Ian Dale.

Uh, we have lots to discuss today.

Um, not least the fact that your bloody Romanian thing has turned me into an internet something or other.

I knew I could wean you off smut.

Anyway, back to me having a little go at you.

Um, Tessa invited me to speak at her Romanian cultural center, is it?

Institute.

That's, that's nice, isn't it? Now, Mrs.

Dunlop, if you're listening to this, I do apologize for your scavenging daughters sort of-

Oh

... making sure that she gets her just desserts.

Oh, you don't always need to slag up the failings.

Yesterday, I bumped into a listener.

I was in a care home visiting.

Really?

Young man, you say? Yes, yes.

Jonathan, in fact, he has a name.

He said, I'm a listener of the podcast.

So there you are.

And actually you've got to, what I've learned is, I used to think, oh my God, they're just targeting me.

But if I look at say another panelist of white, my Caucasian sister, say Tessa Dunlop, she's also getting so much abuse.

I've seen you get abused.

Yes, mine is the added racialized element, but I looked at your tweets and you're getting called, oh, shit, you know what

We had quite strong response due to a couple of disagreements in our previously recorded pod.

Corey, in your absence, said, The thing is, Tessa, I think when you're both at each other like that, it's good to just pause and say to Ian, Not that I'm putting the onus on you, he said, and I'm sure he would say the same thing to you if I hadn't been there, Ian.

He said to pause and say, I'm not sure anyone will enjoy listening to this.

That's what we should have done.

was right.

Can we just have that? Let's call our pod, I know that I was right.

Well, we were going to call it seriously, weren't we? So seriously, Tessa, I was right.

No, I think we will come to those statistics and questions regarding the EU.

Oh, and we're down in London holding the fort.

It's a bit like Radio 4, isn't it, where you have a sort of roving reporter, that's Ian, up at the conference and then holding fort, we have Tessa accompanied flank, no less, by her mother, just for the fluff, Ian.

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That's

I know, I know.

That's true.

When Tessa's there, I just relax, don't

speak.

link it all below so if anyone wants to go.

And just to mention my two podcasts, Where Politics Meets History, which I do with Tessa Dunlop twice a week.

And also I have an interview podcast similar to your own, Ian Dale All Talk.

And I have a range of people on that, often politicians, but people from the media, historians, people who got books out.