Yeah.

So I just got a new, you asked me what all was going on.

I just got a new property.

The total property that I'm kind of managing is a little over 600 acres in the southern tip of Illinois.

Wow.

It's actually further south than where I live now.

When I say it's the southern tip of Illinois, it's the southern tip.

Right at 50 pounds right now.

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Well, we're back with another Chasing Assurance podcast brought to us by our partners at Heartwood Planning Group, and I have my dad, Terry Peer, with us.

And, uh, we're, we're finishing up this series on the challenges of time.

And Dad, I want you to, I, I, I guess I want you to comment on this a little bit, uh, before we get started.

I, I believe this is the third session on this topic.

I don't know about you, but I've gotten more people say comments about this episode, or this series I should say, than anything we've done so far.

So I don't know if that's the number of people are getting bigger that are listening, or it's an indication of how many people struggle with this or have anxiety about this.

You're doing everything to the T," but what is the potential missing link here? And, and this is a ball of wax, can of worms, Pandora's box, but I'm passing it to you.

Well, it, it's, it's a fascinating conversation because you don't know this, but I have two buddies that have gotten so frustrated with land management that they've decided next year they are not using trail cameras, they're not doing any habitat projects.

They're going back old school and just going out and hunting, and whatever they like that comes out, they shoot because of the frustration, uh, that they've, they've put into bad experience, just like, you know, the harder they try, the worse the results get.

And I feel, my heart breaks for people anytime they put that kind of money and effort into something, and it just doesn't pan out.

So, um, there, the ...

You're right.

There's a lot of different things there, but I also think that if somebody's really diving in, say, "I'm gonna work harder.

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I think the last, the last silo is probably where you want to land the plane, and that is guys have it, but deer aren't using it.

Um-That's probably the most devastating from a morale standpoint of anything we have, and there can be a lot of factors to that.

Um, again, I think that if we go into it looking at I want to diversify my nutrition source as much as I can in the state's, you know, game laws, the equipment, the budget, uh, some of them are permission properties, we can only do so much, but get your bookends and then try to pack in as much diversity as possible, and not watch social media and, uh, you know, YouTube to say, "It works for this guy, it's gotta work for me," when it's not the close to the same situation.

And what I mean by that is don't take something so literally from Don Higgins, myself, from, you know, whoever out there and say, "Oh, well, that worked for them in Michigan or Iowa or Illinois, and I'm gonna try to do it in Georgia." Um, look at what works, uh, deer density, soil, soil health, soil amendments, and let's face it, um, we, we sit on our own property and want to be the next level deer hunter, and that might be from a one fifteen to a one twenty-five or, uh, a one fifty to a one sixty or goodness gracious, the few people in the world that can actually do what Don does and, [chuckles] and say a one ninety-five to a two hundred.

Um, I, I think that we just gotta, we gotta pull back a little bit and what's, what's realistic, because what my fear is, is that a lot of people, although we can learn stuff from those shows, and all of them's great resources, just like this one that we're on right now, but if it's not feasible in your area, basically from a soil health to a herd health to a herd number to a genetic pocket, we're just going to continue to get frustrated.

Mm-hmm.