Mm-hmm

...

the, the second boat of the two-boat tether, um, they were still attached to the Zodiac, uh, not making any, uh, progress in, in getting it back across.

And, and I went up and said, "You know, give me the line," and I actually hooked their line onto our boat.

Uh, one of the things that we teach as a last ditch scenario is if you can't get that boat across the boil, if there's too much power there, uh, sink your own boat, turn it into a sea anchor.

And, and do that by standing on the gunnels, uh, having the opened end of the, the boat, uh, facing upstream so that it will fill with water and, and then the force of that theoretically should pull the boat back across.

It sh- you're using the river, the power of the river to overpower itself.

But, um, if one of you could give, you know, kind of talk to Carl so we get to know Carl a little bit.