Terry Butcher

And Dennis Smith was the manager.

Um, so we've done We wanna just try and build up Sunderland's story through their eyes and, um, we did Sir Dennis Smith and then, uh, Malcolm Crosby, then we did Terry Butcher, went to Terry Butcher's house.

And then obviously there's been a gap with Mick Buxton.

Um, and then we did Peter Reid.

So if someone wants to prove Stephen right or wrong... before my time, so I can't, I can't say I recall, Ted McMinn's, Go From A Corner, it might be on YouTube somewhere, I'll get a, I'll get a wee look if it is, we can discuss it next time I'm on, but, no, I don't think, off the top of my head, I don't think I've ever, I've ever seen it, I was disappointed that I didn't see, Ted McMinn, play, a couple of the clips, unorthodox I think is probably one of the words to describe him but he seems to have been quite the cult hero for Rangers back in the day fell out with Graeme Souness towards the end and was shipped off to Seville to go and work alongside Big Chalk but it seems to be a player that Rangers fans have fond memories of and speaking to him for that piece you can certainly tell how much of an influence Rangers had on him.

I actually spoke to him, it was the Terry Butcher night at Edmonds House a few weeks ago, and he came up, still stays down the road, and Darby obviously moved there after, still stays down the road, but he heard that Terry Butcher was going to be back in Glasgow, and he was going to do that night, and he just wanted to be there, to come and see Terry again, and to be at that event.

to be at that night so came back up the road just for that occasion and thankfully gave us 10-15 minutes of his time at the end of the night as well so it was good to see him good to see he was in good health and doing well he spent a lot of time signing things and getting pictures taken so that kind of showed the esteem that he's still held in by the Raiders fans which was nice

Yeah, one of these cult figures, isn't he? So, yeah, good stuff.

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I think that he thought I was the third best player in his team, behind Terry Butcher and, and KK.

And to be fair, the person that affected me, not in a, in a bad way, affected me more than anybody was KK.

He really, like, took me under his wing and, and basically really molded me into a player.

It's brilliant.

No, we would.

So, so to be fair, so we go in the dressing room, and Terry Butcher's fuming.

"The little Argentinian bastard, I'm gonna kill him."

My ex-teammate at Everton, he'd gone up there.

Terry Butcher, Chris Woods.

And Ray Wilkins, Trevor Francis.

The list goes on.

And I could see England above the door.

And I'm going, oh my goodness, this is incredible.

I'm looking at Terry Butcher.

I'm walking behind Terry Butcher.

It was like, oh, this is going to look really precious.

Terry Butcher.

Then they put the black one around it and kind of made it a little bit not so obvious.

But

was playing right back at that time right enough I wasn't playing centre half but 1-1-0 and then last year 1-1-2-1 or something so that was the only wee thing I was hanging on to

You're actually also the only man that probably this will resonate with Martin but the only man that I can see akin to Terry Butcher with the amount of blood.

I remember a game at Rugby Park where you went off and you get wrapped up like Nanook.

Come back on.

And I think I just saw it as experience.

Like, I remember the Inverness one, it was at a call and it was like, Terry Butcher wants to take you to Inverness.

I was like, yeah, no problem.

Then I put it in our maps and said it was seven hours away and I was like, bloody hell, there's so many working changes.