Terri Schiavo case

No, they would have just brought back Kenny, 'cause we talked to the PSP and PS Vita.

We've talked about how the PSP episode, I believe, was the one where they killed off Kenny for the last time for a little while in the Terri Schiavo [laughs] episode.

Mm-hmm.

But then they brought him back and just didn't kill him anymore after that.

I cannot remember precisely how young.

Um, but I believe it was around the time when that whole Terri Schiavo euthanasia case went down-

I remember that clearly

... um, where I simultaneously heard about what the reality of abortion and that our culture of death was also threatening the life of a woman in a coma despite the wishes of her parents.

Yes.

I mean, she went from being on a ventilator, completely retarded, Terri Schiavo, like, "Mah, mah, mah." Like, you know, she wasn't even conscious.

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She was in a coma.

His main criticism of the church, at least at this point of his story, is that he felt it lacked meaningful life applications.

And he illustrates this with his reflections on Terri Schiavo.

Brooke, do you know who Terri Schiavo is?

Yeah, Terri Schiavo was that woman, I think, who was like in a coma.

And there was a huge debate.

Was this in the 90s?

So that was just from July.

So in August, and I think we don't have to chase this one too far, but the title was in US News & World Report, "Hospice's Bad Reputation Amid Fraud Crisis Will Hurt Patients, Industry Experts Warn." And just kind of lamenting that what's happening in California, I, I remember years ago, um, I think his name was Mike Bell, he worked for Suncoast when the whole Terri Schiavo situation, and this line in his presentation stuck with me.

This was probably two or three years afterwards, and he said, "You know, there were days I dreamed about CNN being camped out in our campus, but it was not for the reason they were camped out at our campus." Like, you know, we all like, "Oh, we want people to understand what we do more," and then something like this that gains national attention that is not even in the realm of what 90% of the people within this space are actually, or, or organizations.

Although I guess [chuckles] depends upon, you have to read Joan's Substack of how many hospices are there in America? And so there, there are people carrying that name that are not really hospices.

You can never, uh, not push back on it.

And if you do, you're guilty of the same crime that Terri Schiavo's husband committed in Florida over a decade ago in, quote, "unplugging his wife and letting her die." Now, this case is not like Terri Schiavo, and let me explain why.

Terri Schiavo was not dying.

She was in what is called a persistent vegetative state, what we call PVS for short.

And Terri Schiavo, depending on who you talk to, there were experts on both sides, but I think the consensus was she was not going to come out of this, uh, persistent vegetative state.

Now, there were people on the ground who said that she could communicate, that she, uh, responded to family members who would, you know, communicate to her through touch and other means.

I don't know what the truth is there.

I don't mean to be technical, but ...

It's like that Terri Schiavo, right? It's like she had eyes and ears.

Yeah, but the brain wasn't working.

She heard stuff, her eyes looked at stuff, but-

2005.

Didn't we get thrown off the air in 2004?

When did Terri Schiavo's husband let her get murdered?

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She's ...

Dan, she's Terri Schiavo.

Yes.

I mean, she's-

All right.

So in this particular, in this particular instance where this woman was, in all, by all, by all, you know, by all accounts, she's brain dead.

She's Terri Schiavo'd out.

If they would just pull The plug, the vent, and what's keeping her alive, would she also probably expire peacefully?