Terrance Hayes

Yeah.

You know, this, the poet Terrance Hayes says when he's talking about the difference between, you know, free verse and form poetry, like free verse and a sonnet, or free verse versus a, a villanelle or a sestina or whatever, he says, "It's cool if you can break dance, but it's badass if you can break dance in a straitjacket."

Right.

[laughs] Yes.

What's his name?

Terrence Hayes is a pretty

good friend of mine.

Yeah, hopefully some folks will learn about Terrence Hayes if they don't already know because he's a pretty big name in the poker

world.

In the poker world, yeah.

Yeah, I love it.

So anyway, after all that, this is the Bukowski in you.

Could you talk about the necessity of doing that?

This is a form that I think Terrance Hayes coined, and, uh, it really appealed to me.

I do it three times, I think, in the book of taking a scary word like prognosis or chondrosarcoma, um, and really just breaking it apart and seeing what else is in there.

Um, macho, monarchs, cardamom, roach, condom is in there.