And this research showed the literacy around what is causing climate change is a lot lower than I think it should be.

Yeah, I agree with all those points.

One of the issues that we keep running into over at DeSmog is in Canada, we have to contend with a network of, they are essentially libertarian anti-regulation organizations masquerading as think tanks.

But organizations like the Fraser Institute, Macdonald-Laurier Institute, Canadian Taxpayers Federation, Frontier Center, Manning Center, I know that's called Canada Strong and Free Network.

There's maybe a dozen of them operating in Canada right now.

They all receive money from the fossil fuel sector and or big tech.

In fact, there's an increasing overlap in the funding sources there.

And I think Taylor has done a lot of great work on that as well.

What's to say that maybe the technology is not there? I mean, we are 60 years later from the original plan, to quote your timeline.

Sure.

So the first thing I would say is drones are drones are not sophisticated military technology.

They seem that way.

But in truth, they are dumb, slow robots.

And they really only work in saturation attacks.

And they're very easy to defeat.

If I was to take everything that you said exactly verbatim, I would say that this is an economy builder only.

That's what the claim source, alleged source was, yeah.

Allegedly.

And so people started looking at these documents, and it didn't take people too long to realize the documents themselves don't actually indicate that David Pugliese was an intelligence asset, but that he may have been identified as a possible intelligence asset.

So this kind of made it even weirder.

It's like, okay, well, it's not actually alleging that he's a spy.

It's that he may have been at one point considered... as an intelligence operative by the Soviet KGB, not by anyone else, and apparently not by David Pugliese either.

He, by the way, immediately defended himself.

So the question for me is, A, where did the documents allegedly come from beyond deep in the archives? And how is it possible that they just conveniently landed in an MP's hand for him to present the documents?

Entertainment, probably the easiest go to because as a kid, because when you tried to play that with your parents, and that was always the tough part, right was like, because your parents were smart, and they would know things that you're like, how do you know that? But I mean, the era of it is different, right? That's the one thing about Trivial Pursuit is it kind of never gets old as long as they keep giving new updated stories and versions.

So actually, you just touched on one of the most fascinating things about Trivial Pursuit.

When they were developing it in the late 1970s and early 80s, the idea of creating a board game that actually wasn't geared towards kids was so out there that nobody took these guys seriously at the beginning.

It was hard for them to put money together.

But tastes were beginning to change.

The baby boomer demographic by the early 1980s, they're settling down, they're moving to the suburbs.

A lot of suburbs in Canada didn't have as many bars.

Do you think that it really changed the way games looked from there on out?