That's right.

How did you get into producing music? I started in high school, actually.

I had some random boss gear and I told my friends, even though I'd never tried it yet, I was like, hey, I can record you guys.

And I would just pick it up as I went along.

So I kind of just dabbled because I always liked creating music because I played guitar, bass, drums, vocals.

I was always overwhelmed with music.

all the different things I could do, so I just wanted to put it to, uh, work, you know? So I started producing bands at, like, 17, and, uh, I didn't say it was great, but, you know, you gotta

start somewhere.