You had a pretty long one in that first gig.

Yeah, so I had some great opportunities in that that kept me challenged in that role.

And so I did everything I could to learn about the annual giving side, major gifts, principal gifts.

I had the opportunity when I was there, we launched a comprehensive campaign in Auburn.

And of course, the College of Architecture, Design, and Construction was a part of that.

So I was able to create a strategy on that.

And I should say too, I was a one-person shop.

What's that been like?