How does trauma impact us in all those areas, Tana?

So interesting.

My husband and I both went to Christian colleges, and so we were trained a bit differently in medicine than a lot of schools might, that everything that we do affects all four of those circles, bio, psycho, social, spiritual, and that treatment must also affect all of those circles, right? You have to treat people in all of those circles.

And so I love that when we met and we were talking, we... we came together on that because we were both trained that way.

So when you're talking about trauma, if you think about the biological circle of trauma, well, there's the obvious part where a lot of people are physically hurt, but even emotional trauma affects people physically.

We talked about ACE scores last week, how adverse childhood experiences have been studied for decades now.

They have found that the higher your score on a scale of zero to 10, they measured different things that happened to you within your family, things like divorce, abandonment, physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, having a parent incarcerated, all these different things that they measured.

And it's not who I want to be moving forward.

In our time, can you share some of those painful experiences that maybe some of our listeners can relate to that shaped you? And when did you realize that you were living in survival mode?

So I don't think I did realize I was living in survival mode as many people don't when they're growing up in that because that's your normal.

So I began to learn about ACE scores or adverse childhood experience scores as an adult, not actually not that long ago, but it was related to my health.

So it's funny you mentioned wellness, health and wellness, because I was anything but a healthy or well child.

I was a frequent flyer in the hospital.

I was sick all the time.

First surgery at nine years old, cancer in my 20s.

First, just naming that it's trauma.

And the impulsivity can really work negatively on their life.

And I totally didn't.

One of the reasons I didn't believe this is because, and this is what I learned.

You don't necessarily have to have all of those.

And there are multiple types of ADD.

So for example, because I'm successful at what I do, graduated top of my class, loved school.

My mom is very successful, but she had to work really hard at it.

And we have just seen 80% of the time it makes those patients

get your brain right and your mind will follow.

Well, and I love our work because people will come to us and we really do a thorough assessment on people.

And it's like, you know, they think we hear the word crazy a lot.

And what is crazy? If your hormones are off, you're going to act in a way that's, that is not your normal rational way, right? If your hormones are off, if you've had Lyme disease, if you've had a head injury.

So there's so many complexities to it, but the term crazy is, could encompass a whole bunch of stuff.

You could have an infection.

You know, you can have so many things going on that lend to this idea of mental illness when, and we're putting band-aids over bullet holes with all these medications without actually fixing the root problem, the root cause of the problem.

Whenever I go to make a decision, I just ask myself, is this good for my brain or bad for it? And if I can answer that question with information and love, then I tend to do the right

And, you know, and being an example, was it to help people to get unstuck with sharing your message, to help people get unstuck from their past?

Yeah, so if you don't want to change, don't marry a psychiatrist.

That's the first thing I'm going to say.

So my husband, Dr. Daniel Amen, he kept nudging me to write this book for a long time.

And one of the signs, we're talking about resilience.

So one sign of resilient people is they tend to minimize what they've been through.

And I certainly did that.

So

So why don't you start off by telling us a little bit about your childhood? So I actually wrote a book about

it, The Relentless Courage of a Scared Child.

And yeah, a lot of people don't know that about me.

So when I was a kid, I think I, you know, it's funny when you hear your post read back to you, I'm like, that sounds really crazy.

But so I don't know if you know much about ACE scores.

Do you know about Adverse Childhood Experience scores? So it's really important.

I came across this information as a nurse and someone who works a lot with mental health and physical health.

And I do think