Um, and ever since that conversation, I have constantly been referencing something that you said in that interview, um, which is you said, quote, "The music industry has long treated audiences like they're kind of dumb." I was wondering if you could articulate the ways in which Lorraine, on this record and your previous records, tries to push back against that, like, tries to challenge the listener, and what it means to you as a musician to challenge listeners.

Ooh.

Yeah.

I mean, I think actually people have broad music tastes, generally speaking.

I don't think people listen to music in the ways that streaming categorizes music, [laughs] if that makes sense.

And so I really...

At the end of the day, I think people like listening to things that resonate with them and make them feel something.

Would you say that as a curator, like, your work is impacted by just, like, the same listening habits that you, um, have as an artist, or is there, like, a specific mode you go into when you're like, "I'm in curator mode for listening"?

just going to say, what did they get wrong, you know? Like,

so many things they didn't even bother to fact check.

And I was like, okay, well, then I'll do it.

Like, I care about this.

I care about this magazine.

I care about, like, you know, you as an editor and, you know, this writer as a writer.

Like, I don't want anyone to be in a weird position.

a strange,

You, you said you'd, you push, you push against being, like, pigeonholed or, like, defined in a genre, but does that end up, like, backfiring when it comes to labels having to, trying to market you and stuff like that?

Well, I think it backfires [laughs] for, for, for some... for a lot of reasons, not, maybe not necessarily that particular scenario.

But, um, you know, I think I used the term experimental as a way of finding freedom when I was first starting this project and really trying to assert myself as a person that can do whatever they want to do, [laughs] and to establish that as the norm.

And I think I have done that.

Um, but I also think that it can place limitations on people's imagination for what I can do, what kind of impact I can have, and what kind of spaces I should and can be in.

Um, and yeah, I don't know, something about the term experimental and also the way that I, that you're describing my music as being hard to pin down, like, that really...

Yeah, I'm questioning that as a frame now.

Oh.