Mm-hmm.

So, so maybe before we dive into, like what you said, the, the many facets of how this war impacts you, not just on a personal level, but the world, your research, um, m- maybe you can, can give us a bit more about, uh, your background 'cause we know you have been teaching, uh, sociology at NUS since 1992.

You've written multiple books about, you know, decolonizing education.

You've written about the great Muslim philosophers.

Um, so, so maybe can, can ... help us understand your interest in not just the Middle East, but sociology as a, as a whole.

Well, um, yeah, so I'm a sociologist.

It, it means that I'm interested in relations between groups-

Mm.