But what do you suggest?

Well, I think, first of all, you hit the nail on the head.

It starts with...

And my daughter, I was thinking, she was born in 2019.

She was almost one when COVID hit.

And yeah, she was about just hitting like two and a half when she went back to school and they were still wearing masks.

And she went back to school or to half days at preschool.

Let's just quit.

Mm-hmm.

And I think that COVID had a lot to do with it, because people became really isolated during COVID, and a lot of friendships fizzled out, and a lot of people moved, and a lot of people became more isolated during COVID.

And then I also think after COVID, depression skyrocketed, anxiety skyrocketed, and mental... people's struggles with mental illness really became a lot more prominent, and people became much more homebound.

And so I think that's had a huge impact on people's loneliness, and also social anxiety skyrocketed after COVID.

I mean, we had so many people coming in after COVID that sort of had, like, this, like, re-entry trauma, that kind of were like, I...

You know, especially people that had been single or weren't able to be with their families during COVID that were kind of in their apartments alone, this was in the beginning when you couldn't be around anyone, if they didn't have a partner or they didn't have a roommate or, you know, didn't have family to be with.

People who really had so much re-entry anxiety and previously weren't socially anxious, that became really socially anxious.

Yeah.

But do you think I'm not thinking about that friend that is no longer in my life that I had like five years ago all the time? It's like they leave this mark on us that is so...

Yeah, it's really profound, I think.

And in a different way than I think we...

I mean, my poor husband.

I'm thinking like...

But I think in...

Of course, my relationship with my husband is very profound and deep, and we've been through so much together.

sometimes work is 90 and my life is 10 sometimes family is 20 and I don't ever have a balance when something is going really well in my life there's always going to be a little area where maybe I'm struggling a little bit more or something is a little more flawed like it just is what it is and I think releasing the expectation to have that perfect balance was something it was a gift I gave myself when I turned 30 and I was like just let it go this you've been fed or you've been reading the wrong things that I've been telling you this and it's okay you don't have to have the perfect balance it's it's gonna be a dance always

No.

Oh, yeah.

There's a book about it called The Borderline and the Narcissist.

And they often end up dating.

So in my practice, we see them a lot together for couple therapy.

So what's the difference between the two? So with borderline, and that's really my passion and what I love the most, borderline personality disorder is often where you have intense fears of abandonment.

There's often risky behaviors around maybe sex, drug use, impulsivity, really black and white thinking.

How do you know whether you should be worried about yourself or a child, whether it's an ideation, which is the thought coming in or an actual, you know, child or yourself or your spouse that's thinking about suicide?