Susan E Guthrie

I'm the subscription attorney and CEO of Practi.

I have with me Susan Guthrie, attorney, mediator, and consultant, author of many books, but in particular relevant to today's topic, The Flat Fee Playbook, and, uh, last but certainly not least, Joey Gartner of the ABA Center for Innovation, among many other hats at the ABA.

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And former practitioner using alternative fees back before it was cool and before the tech had caught up.

Welcome to the Practice Playbook Podcast, your go-to resource for legal professionals, mediators, and entrepreneurial experts building modern, profitable, and purpose-driven businesses.

I'm your host, Susan Guthrie, attorney, mediator, and number one bestselling author with over 35 years of experience.

I'm a former chair of the ABA section of dispute resolution, and I've helped thousands of professionals build practices they love through my books, coaching, and training programs.

Each week, I'll bring you real-world strategies, mindset shifts, and behind-the-scenes insights to help you grow with clarity, confidence, and impact.

Let's dive in.

Welcome to the Practice Playbook Podcast.

I'm your host, Susan Guthrie, and today's guest is someone I've known for virtually my entire career as a dispute resolution professional, and she's one of the people who truly understands the business side of our profession.

Natalie Armstrong Motang has spent more than three decades helping mediators, arbitrators, and other dispute resolution professionals build and market their practices.

And we haven't announced this yet, but you can hear it here first.

Like there's a reason why our newest advisor coming on soon is Susan Guthrie, who hopefully many folks know.

She's amazing.

And, you know, I really I think there's I think there's just a lot of a lot of Greenfield blue sky out there for that.

I want to share a story that has really stuck with me.

A colleague, Susan Guthrie, she's a thirty-five-year family law attorney and mediator, and quite frankly, one of the most experienced divorce professionals in the country.

She told me a story about running into a former client years after finishing her difficult case.

She was delighted to see her, and so Susan asked how she'd been, and the woman launched into a lengthy, detailed complaint about her ex-husband, her grievances, the patterns, the things he'd done wrong, twenty years after the divorce was final.

Well, I mean, we're hearing about that so much with gray divorce.

And I had Susan Guthrie on as a guest who's amazing.

She's been on Oprah talking about gray divorce.

Women are saying like, this isn't okay for me anymore, right? I mean, sometimes women stay for the kids.

Welcome to Divorce and Beyond, a podcast about navigating divorce and what comes next.

I'm Susan Guthrie.

I'm a divorce attorney and mediator, and for more than three decades, I've helped people navigate divorce with clarity, strategy, and compassion.

Each episode offers practical insight into the legal, emotional, and life decisions that shape your future.

Hello, everyone.

Welcome back to Divorce and Beyond.

I'm Susan Guthrie, and this is the final episode of our summer series.

We've spent these months moving through the hardest parts of divorce together, and there's only one place I wanted to end, and that is in your beyond, in the joyful, wide-open work of becoming yourself again.