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Survivorship bias

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Sep 17, 2026

Stephen GrootesHOST
8:57
Um, uh, uh, Warren, um, We- Warren.
Stephen GrootesHOST
9:00
Wayne, are there different types of, uh, survivorship bias? I mean, some things-
Wayne McCurrieGUEST
9:05
Yes
Stephen GrootesHOST
9:05
... seem to, you know, y- you know, you can, you ...
Stephen GrootesHOST
9:14
Is the same true for an investment case? You can use the history to prove anything.
Wayne McCurrieGUEST
9:19
Yeah, look, I mean, you could always find some statistics to prove your point, and that's why, you know, you still need, I suppose you could say, the human touch in investing.
Wayne McCurrieGUEST
9:29
But, you know, survivorship bias, as you mentioned there, Stephen, this is a massive thing where, you know, we once again [laughs] as we talking, went back and studied past data when I was still working, and we said, "Right, we know the top 10 asset managers in South Africa.
Wayne McCurrieGUEST
9:45
We know their 10-year performance record.
Josh CoffyHOST
2:57
I actually wanna go all the way back to World War II.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:00
And I wanna talk about this thing called survivorship bias.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:04
If you're not familiar with survivorship bias, Back in World War II, the military, they really wanted to figure out where to add armor to its planes.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:14
And so what they did is they examined all of the planes that were returning from combat, and they mapped where the bullet holes were in the planes so that that way they can add more armor to where the planes were getting hit.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:25
But this statistician, Abraham Wald, was his name.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:38
It's a hole in the entire process, right? Because the bullet holes are shown to planes that took the damage and they survived.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:46
But there were many more planes that did not make it back, that the bullet holes may have been somewhere else.
Josh CoffyHOST
3:54
And so this is where survivorship bias starts to come in.
Patrick MaloneyHOST
10:42
Yeah.
Bridget MoloneyHOST
10:43
And then hearing about two people and they were fine, that is survivor bias.
Patrick MaloneyHOST
10:47
Yes, that's right.
Bridget MoloneyHOST
10:48
Yeah.
Patrick MaloneyHOST
11:21
You know, you mentioned survivor bi- bias.
Patrick MaloneyHOST
11:23
I think there...
Patrick MaloneyHOST
11:24
I think it's not, it's not quite the same as survivor bias, but there is a phenomenon where, uh, across the course of the 20th century, some extraordinary advances were made in the healthcare for, for women and babies and ar- around pregnancy and the, and the postpartum period.
Patrick MaloneyHOST
11:42
And those advances were so successful that, uh, that some of the diseases that they were invented to address have practically disapp- disappeared from our-
Jakub RemiarHOST
35:32
No worries.
Jakub RemiarHOST
35:32
It's a survivor bias, keep that in mind.
Jakub RemiarHOST
35:34
For each one Mecha Chameleon, there's like thousands of failed games that you don't see.
Jakub RemiarHOST
35:39
Because it was what? Millions.
speaker_0HOST
21:16
The issue is that's not the critique that would be levied against this data set.
speaker_0HOST
21:21
The critique, which the authors of the study even acknowledge, is the possibility of survivorship bias.
speaker_0HOST
21:28
Essentially, those that survive longer in spite of elevated cholesterol It's because they're paying special attention to their health as a result of knowing that they are at elevated risk.
speaker_0HOST
21:39
Now there's multiple reasons to think that would be true here.
speaker_3HOST
11:41
The man himself, Napoleon Hill.
speaker_2HOST
11:43
The man, the myth, and the survivorship bias.
speaker_2HOST
11:46
Because his biography, it's a mess.
speaker_3HOST
11:49
It does not survive archival scrutiny at all.
speaker_2HOST
12:56
We're just reading Hill's personal hunches.
speaker_3HOST
12:59
Hunches that happen to work for some people, but yes, hunches.
speaker_2HOST
13:02
And that leads straight into the danger of survivorship bias.
speaker_3HOST
13:04
Which is arguably the biggest flaw in the whole philosophy.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:15
One, it's that meme.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:17
You've seen that meme, that survivorship bias meme with the plane where all of the bullet holes on the plane, it's like all those red dots and you see the plane.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:26
Basically where that comes from is in World War II when planes would come back.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:31
The army would look at the planes and they would see, okay, where are planes most likely to get shot? All the planes that would come back.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:42
And so then they would put armor on those parts.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:44
But what they weren't realizing is that all of the planes that were actually shot down were shot somewhere critical where they weren't putting armor.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:51
That's the issue of survivorship bias.
Avi FelmanHOST
37:53
It's the same issue that we run into crypto.
Andy GrindstaffHOST
14:30
It's, you know, it's interesting.
Andy GrindstaffHOST
14:32
You've talked a lot, like survivorship bias is kind of one of your signature arguments there, right? It shows the winners and it hides the losers.
Andy GrindstaffHOST
14:39
And it seems like there's a lot of like big brand moves, like people just want to copy each other.
Andy GrindstaffHOST
14:44
When they see something work in the industry, right? Suddenly you have a whole bunch of copycats trying to do a very similar thing.
Joseph SzalaGUEST
15:08
I do think right now there's...
Joseph SzalaGUEST
15:11
I can't say there's an over-adoption of AI, but there is certainly, I think, a bloated excitement around it and what it can and will actually do.
Joseph SzalaGUEST
15:23
I also think alongside of that, the naysayers are going to use confirmation bias, which is the evil sister of survivorship bias, to confirm their point of view.
Joseph SzalaGUEST
15:38
So the minute there's a hallucination of, let's say, an AI drive-through voice, Well, that's...
Beth MounierGUEST
44:19
It's like, you have to, if you don't adapt at some point, you'll get left behind.
Beth MounierGUEST
44:23
Um, so of course there's people who, you know, they're still doing the things that work for them, whether, whether that is just another way to do it, or it's like survivorship bias of look who made it out of this program.
Beth MounierGUEST
44:37
Um, you know, like that's, of course there's people who are not going to think the same way.
Beth MounierGUEST
44:42
There's still, there's still guys.
Beth MounierGUEST
44:54
And they're not going to change that.
Beth MounierGUEST
44:56
Um, But I think that there are a lot of people who are trying to figure out how to incorporate a lot of what we've been talking about into how they're teaching and coaching and pouring into young people.
speaker_0HOST
45:09
Honestly, that survivorship bias mindset is one of my biggest fears of being like, they made it in spite of me or they made it like even how crappy I was or how much I didn't know, they still made it.
speaker_0HOST
45:24
That's one of my biggest things of like, I don't want to be that person ever.
Chris WilliamsonHOST
4:47
It's higher RPEs.
Chris WilliamsonHOST
4:50
And survivability bias or survivorship bias-
Alok KanojiaGUEST
4:53
Mm-hmm
Chris WilliamsonHOST
4:53
... means that the only ones that do make it to the end, by virtue of the fact they've made it to the end, have unbelievable progress.

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