SunOS

They called it Xenix just like HP called theirs Xenix.

HP UX and Sun OS and things like that, just because the trademark of Unix, you know, it was held by AT&T and that wasn't with the software license.

So, um, but it w it was at Microsoft.

I don't know the exact dates, but it would have been, uh, in the Bellevue office.

It was way before we even came up with the name cybersecurity, right? But I started out as a Unix system administrator.

Again, 30 years ago, pre Linux, but it was like SunOS workstations in the computer science department of my university.

And...

It was almost entirely student run.

So all of the information I had to use had to come from the internet once we got the internet.

And you know, it was quite a, quite of a journey getting the internet, right? We went through several phases there, uh, including like, you know, scamming an account out of the local university, which had its own 64 kilobit ISDN line, uh, connected to the internet, and so we could dial into it, uh, like a bulletin board thing and, uh, do a bunch of stuff on some SunOS machine.

Yep.

Uh, but yeah, it was really spending way too long reading Usenet and then mailing lists, just trying to piece things together and honestly, it's not a great way to learn.