Sultan of Selangor

I also want to consider the factor of Malay politics and its kind of oppositional nature to DAP in particular, because that's sort of the elephant in the room where DAP is the boogeyman here.

And you yourself asked DAP to discipline Tony Pua over his remarks about the Sultan of Selangor, which you called insolence.

And some listeners might wonder how that sits with the progressive label.

Walk us through your thinking.

How do you see Amana's relationship, especially perhaps with more chauvinistic, you know, allegedly parts of the Chinese community, which is always a very difficult relationship to manage, right? As an Islamic party with non-Islamic or non-Malay counterparts.

Yeah, Jason, finally politics is perception, right? The thinking was when Tony Pua issued that statement and having that kind of fight, you know, sort of fight with the Sultan of Selangor, does it translate into support to Pakatan Harapan? I don't think so, right? It makes the Malay become more scared, right? And it's actually verifying their sentiment that DAP Pakatan Harapan is really against the Sultan.

So if you look at my statement and all of other statements that I've made, I'm the only one who is also going to and to against Ketua Pemuda UMNO, Akmal Saleh.

If you look at my statements, I have written statements on condemning him about his position on how he reacts to the issue of Bendera Terbalik, right? So...