Tell us about how the last movement of her, the prosecution's rested, by the way, I should mention, the defense is going to begin, but the shutting, no more movement in her phone, the timing of that with his last text to her.

Yeah, I mean, we definitely have gotten a lot of evidence around supporting the idea that Matthew Farwell murdered her.

We've seen the video over and over again of him entering her apartment with a mask on, which is significant because he was anti-mask and it was COVID, the period of COVID.

But we saw at the end of the prosecutions come on and talk about not only her cell phone, but also her watch and her final steps and how much they moved.

And if you follow the Karen Reid case or other cases, you know that a lot of this digital evidence is not exactly 100% correct, but it can be directionally correct, and especially if it's not the only thing that's carrying the entire case.

So we did see definitely that she didn't really move after he left.

the apartment, and we have the timestamp on the video of him leaving the apartment.

What is wrong with these people?

twists and turns in this case have been have been unbelievable because now we have i believe yesterday we had the uh man who is actually the father of a child that's not far well on the stand uh talking about his relationship with senator birchmore in addition to the guy that's on trial so give us the latest at

Yeah, I mean, you know, what we're finding out here is that Sandra had a number of sexual relationships.

But everybody who has been on the stand testifying has talked lovingly about her and cared a lot about her.

Before the trial started, when information that Farwell was not the father of the child, but this recruiter, this Army recruiter was, There was a narrative that automatically sprung up saying, listen, this is someone who took advantage of her.

This is a terrible thing.

But this witness on the stand presented a very different point of view.

And I think all of us came away feeling a certain amount of sympathy for him and figured that he was not the bad guy.

Yeah,

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... which was an organization put together to try and help underprivileged and kids who were in, uh, tough situations, you know, get good leadership and mentorship.

So she was pregnant at the time of her death.

It was not Math-Matthew Farwell's child she was carrying.

But, um, you know, it's been another week or so of tough testimony, hearing about the challenges that she faced as a child, a teen, and a young woman, um, how much she was loved by the people around her.

She was also a teacher's assistant in Sharon for a little while as well.

So people were testifying about that.

I, I, I don't think it was a very thorough interview.

... by the way.

And Reddington said this in his closing arguments.

So what he said to the judge was, as a judge, not a jury, they did not meet the qualification of even charging her, much less finding her guilty in this court and proving it, so therefore, dismiss the mistrial, right? It's not saying she did or didn't do it, it's saying they didn't prove it.

And because it's with a judge and not a jury, the judge certainly understands the law.

The second part of that, he argued, was that, okay, if she did it, if she killed them, their experts, their doctors, were not qualified in postpartum psychosis in order to say she was or was not suffering from postpartum psychosis.

So on the other hand, if we say she did kill them, but she wasn't criminally liable, their experts couldn't meet that threshold.

So those were the two legal arguments.

Right.

It's a whole lot of bleeding lie.

And what happens, or he admitted it.

I mean, you know, he maybe just didn't think that that's what the category was.

But listen, I have watched during the Karen Reid trial.

This full team of defense attorneys, whenever any juror...

They all got the questionnaires, all stacked in front of them, and immediately started doing searches on...

Exactly.

Are you different than you were when you sat, after having sat through the two highest profile murder cases in America in the last couple of years?

How do you get these jurors?

Well, Jim, I want to say that this has been obviously a team effort for NBC10 Boston, and also I think it's a badge of honor for local journalists because...

These three women are lifelong Massachusetts residents.

My first TV appearance was in 1978, so they know who I am.

I went to every day but one of the trials.

I sat and looked at them.

They saw me.

You know, I would think after standing through this trial, the jury itself would need some mental health

So tell us what went on this week and what we may have missed.

Well, I think the big deal is that it seems that the prosecution has rested, although they didn't officially rest yesterday.

So we're expecting that Kevin Reddington will present his case starting on Monday.

I was not in the courtroom for the autopsy photos that were shown on Wednesday and the testimony from the two medical examiners.

And I'm really glad I wasn't, I have to say, because I heard from my colleagues that it was absolutely horrific and wrenching and jurors were crying.

And it offers the question as to exactly what this prosecution thinks they're doing.

To date, they really haven't made the case that Lindsay Clancy was anything other than, before the killings, a wonderful mother who was desperately seeking mental health treatment and very worried about the medication she was on.

This is a real lesson in how difficult this is to diagnose, it seems to me.

Is that right?

Yeah, I mean, pretty much so.

And I think what every mental health professional will tell you is that you can appear normal.

You can be working to pick your kids up, take your child to the pediatrician because she might be constipated.

You can go around and do your everyday work and at the same time be deeply, deeply depressed.

And that's, you know, what's interesting about this trial is we are hearing these witnesses get up and say the same thing.

for the defense when they do the cross and for the prosecution and the question becomes if you really had murderous ideation about your children and you had been seeking mental health help and you had been taking medication you had had insomnia would you be at a bonfire telling someone you were thinking about killing your kids that you didn't really know.

Yeah, and this same judge is presiding over this case where we're hearing all about psychiatric records, so what are we to make of

Hi,

Sue.

Hello, guys.

How are you? Good.

Good to hear you.

I'm sorry I'm caught in a little bit of traffic.

I'm going to pull over so I can maybe turn my camera on.

What do you think the impact would have been had Rennington chose to go just before a judge and not a jury the way that happened in the Fitzgerald case, the police officer that was accused of shooting a fellow police officer? What do you think that impact would have been? And why do you think he didn't just go before a judge if the issue of guilt is a non-issue?

And I understand you have strong opinions on the situation, Sue O'Connell.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I've been arguing about this with you guys for years.

I hate the ballot questions.

And I finally come to the conclusion that the issue isn't the ballot questions.

It's the process of our ballot approvals.

And this has been a huge example of it.

for folks to work so hard.

So what do you think?

... upsetting and cruel, but, uh, we're gonna get this out of the way, uh, 'cause I've, uh, we need to talk about what's going on with these women who, uh, fled Iran, uh, what the Trump administration is doing to these women.

Yeah, I mean, listen, this is, this, this, the biggest sto- part of this story for me, which I think is, is really important to, to understand in the context, is that when President Trump launched against Iran, one of the arguments that he and the administration were making was that they were doing this for women's rights in Iran, and they were doing this for the freedom of speech in Iran because, you know, anywhere between 30 and 60,000 people in Iran had been arrested and murdered and killed by their government for protesting.

And if you posted, as I did often, or posted a commentary saying, "Why are we engaging in this war?" What I would hear back was, "You obviously don't care about women in Iran, do you?" And I think that that's true as an American, because obviously we don't care about women in Iran since we have these Iranian women who came to the US.

Uh, they were, uh, granted court protection against deportation to Iran because the judges ruled, our judges ruled, that they faced credible threats, and instead they are being deported from the United States in the middle of an Iranian war that we started to the Central African Republic.

And I can't...

I'd, I'd love to hear from anyone who supports the Trump administration or supported this war against Iran as a fight for women's rights to explain to me how this makes sense.

When the guy says, when one of the fathers said, "I'm gonna burn this thing and show you," what's he talking about? What do they allege the real deal was?

So the, the, the, the, the students and the parents are saying, and the person who made, uh, th-there's, the, the cigars, they're not real cigars.