And so we need the ecosystem to actually adapt to become the right type of support to enable those companies to emerge.

We're playing podcast bingo.

Investment is probably going to be a word that keeps coming up on this session.

I think it's that sustained investment, absolutely.

And that's something we're seeing that we need more of.

It's that patient capital, right? When we're talking about the innovations of satellite space industry.

In others like photonics and quantum, it's that long term vision, it's that long term look, it's that patient capital that's willing to be in it for the longer term.

Do our politicians know this in your experience? Are they aware of this?