Subho Banerjee

There was a bit of enthusiasm for evidence-based policymaking, and there was also a bit of a push on in the public service to bring in, uh, people who did not have public service experience.

So some people, like, very well-known now, like Subho Banerjee, came in during that, uh, that particular wave.

Uh, Ben Rimmer, uh, came in initially during that wave.

And there was a position advertised for somebody to be the inaugural chief economist for the Immigration Department, and I got headhunted for it.