5:17So, what are some of those factors if he's not to blame?
CChristopher AdamsSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
5:21Well, I think one is, is Wab Kinew, uh, very similar to the situation, uh, uh, the PCs were in under Stuart Murray after Gary Doer was elected in, in, uh, 1999.
CChristopher AdamsSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
5:31That is, a, a very popular premier who could appeal to both, uh, business people, middle class voters, and, and, uh, working class folks, and Indigenous voters as well.
CChristopher AdamsSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
9:13Well, I guess it depends where you're standing.
CChristopher AdamsSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
9:15You know, uh, uh, it, it is attractive if, if you wanna be, uh, in, in the limelight and the leader, but also it's very difficult.
CChristopher AdamsSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
9:23You know, like, talk to Stuart Murray about his years as leader of the PC party-