Stuart Bruce

Actually, before we, just before we did, started this podcast, which is about three and a half years old now, and we, we worked with a, a, my old boss, which I believe you know.

I think he actually referred you on the show, Stuart Bruce.

So me and Stuart worked together for two and a half years, and, um, we're friends now.

It, you know...

Yeah, it's worth talking to Jonna.

She has a lovely overview of the, the entire field and, and, and where, and where it's at.

Uh, and of course, you know, I mean, many of the people you're talking to like Stuart Bruce and, and James Crawford and all those I know well.

Richard Bagnall's another person who's got a-