It's all about God forming a people, and then through that people, he builds the church.

And if God can-- if we can be conformed into the image of Christ, then what flows from us will be the life of Christ.

[gentle music] God forms us in his presence so that his life can overflow from us.

You know, we, we don't want our lives overflowing from us too much.

I'd much rather have God's life overflowing from me than, than my life.

Sometimes my life overflows in, in good things, and sometimes my life overflows in, well, shall we say, less than good things.

[laughs]

Right? And it's like, "What is my-- where's mine?" Right? It surfaces disappointment, you know, and it surfaces that, that kind of, you know...