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Steven W. Mosher

Steven W. Mosher

American social scientist

Oct 1, 2026

46:25
What are some of your takeaways from the recent Trump-Xi summit in Washington?
46:30
Well, it was very interesting to me on several levels.
46:33
First of all, you know, the rule is to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
46:40
Well, Trump has Xi Jinping in a bear hug.
46:43
Ha! And I must say that it's quite deliberate.
46:46
He knows that it is important to the re-industrialization of the United States that we not get in any open conflict with China.
46:55
And so he's trying to manage the relationship, trying to achieve what we call stability in relations with China.

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59:53
Your comments on this.
4:50
Having said that, then how do you handle making a longer-term deal?
4:56
Yeah, absolutely.
4:57
And, you know, I was really expecting a six month extension on the Busan agreement.
5:02
And then I looked at the actual behavior of China over the last half year.
5:08
And, yeah, the rare earth shipments are down by 20 percent.
5:11
They promised to buy 200 Boeings.
5:13
They're only going to buy 150.

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10:55
You believe them?
49:15
Having said that, then how do you handle making a longer-term deal?
49:21
Yeah, absolutely.
49:22
And, you know, I was really expecting a six month extension on the Busan agreement.
49:27
And then I looked at the actual behavior of China over the last half year.
49:32
And, yeah, the rare earth shipments are down by 20 percent.
49:36
They promised to buy 200 Boeings.
49:38
They're only going to buy 150.
54:34
believe them?
7:21
What do you expect to achieve the best scenario for us at this summit?
7:28
Well, first of all, let me say, Brian, that was a brilliant introduction, and I think you covered all the major points.
7:33
I think we'll see a lot of pomp and ceremony as Trump flatters Xi's ego by treating him as the most important visiting dignitary in the world.
7:43
This will be effective because...
7:44
Last week, Xi was basically sidelined at the BRICS summit in India.
7:48
He skipped the banquet, went home a day early.
7:50
He was said to be tired.
11:59
Steve, your thoughts on the American debate and how it fits with China's debate?
14:43
I would guess it's not the only time they've done that kind of a thing.
14:49
No, no, no.
14:50
I mean, uh, Swalwell's story is, is, is indicative of something that's happened, I'm afraid, I don't know, hundreds, thousands of times in the United States.
14:59
I mean, the story usually begins, as it did with Swalwell, with a Chinese intelligent agent, and in his case, it was, uh, [laughs] she had the name Fang Fang, and the tools of her trade were money, drugs, and her body.
15:13
Uh, and of course, that's the tools of the intelligence agent's trade in general, uh, from China because they use money, uh, they use drugs, and they use sex to compromise people, and once the people are compromised, of course, they extract information from them.
15:30
Uh, and, and, and, and of course, [laughs] in the case of Swalwell, she probably used all three to get to Swalwell.
15:36
Uh, Swalwell, like so many American politicians, is, was an obvious target for a Chinese honeypot.

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27:57
What's going on there?
41:00
In the face if you have to.
41:02
Well, no, I don't think you are.
41:04
I think we're gonna find out, uh, some really explosive information about what really happened in the months leading up to 2020.
41:11
And, you know, I think, uh, a, a lot of the information that was coming out in, in 2020 before the election was hidden by the CIA, by the intelligence agencies from Donald Trump.
41:21
But you will remember that, uh, he tweeted out in... on, on June 22nd of 2020.
41:26
I've got it right here.
41:27
He said, quote, "Rigged 2020 election.

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48:56
What's happening in China?
13:30
Steve, your reaction to what we know about the summit and the way these two got along.
13:38
Well, I think they got along splendidly because Xi Jinping was very, very, uh, interested in making nice to Donald Trump.
13:44
Uh, think about all the grand ceremony, the pageantry surrounding his visit.
13:48
I haven't seen anything like this since Nixon's first visit to China.
13:51
The goose-stepping soldiers, the little children bobbing up and down like so many spring-loaded robots, all obviously contrived, phony, and fake.
14:00
But, so, so Trump enters Beijing, uh, looking like a conquering hero, which Brian, if you look at recent happenings around the world, that's actually a pretty apt description of where we stand vis-a-vis China.
14:12
China wants to play nice.
16:11
Why?
36:20
Stephen, you think Iran is as much about China as it is about Iran?
36:27
Yeah, I think it's, uh, it, it's as much about China as, uh, Panama was, as Venezuela was, as Greenland was, as, uh, as all of Trump's major foreign policy initiatives around the world are.
36:38
It, it's about cutting off, uh, the tentacles of the Chinese Communist Party, uh, everywhere they have, uh, gained an inroad.
36:46
And of course, Iran is important for a number of reasons, but I think it's, it's extremely important for curtailing China's ambitions to dominate the world, to-- for curtailing China's ambitions to replace the United States as the dominant power of the twenty-first century.
37:01
And I will tell you
37:02
youThat it's working because, uh, look, Jesse, for the last few decades, I have heard Chinese leaders over and over again, uh, starting with Hu Jintao around 2000 and going on to the present day with Xi Jinping, saying things like, "America's a power in decline.
37:18
China is the rising power.

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48:35
What's his path forward from here?
36:55
Steven, has this operation, Venezuela operation, maybe Panama operation, really all about China?
37:04
Oh, yeah.
37:05
I think it's all about China.
37:06
I think it's been all about China since, uh, Trump's first term when he used tariffs, and now he's using much more, uh, kinetic means.
37:12
And I believe it is, it is truly shocking on Beijing as we take down their proxies one by one, as we cut off the arms of the octopus.
37:21
And yeah, I see Iran as part of a larger strategy to roll back, uh, China's global influence.
37:26
Panama, Venezuela, Greenland, Cuba, uh, China was all involved in all of those areas.
39:11
Right.
1:41
Does that concern you at all, that people are implying that we're leaving Taiwan vulnerable?
1:47
Well, it certainly, it certainly concerns me that Taiwan would be vulnerable, and I think it's one of the reasons why the Taiwanese parliament has come back into session and is going to approve a huge arms purchase from the United States.
1:58
We need to be able to fulfill that, that order, of course, which means maybe the Defense Production Act that Brandon mentioned.
2:04
Uh, we've gotta start producing weapons for our allies at a faster rate, and, and for ourselves as well.
2:11
Uh, over the short term, I think that things in China are in such chaos now with, uh, Xi Jinping cashiering one general after another, that we don't really have to worry about an aggressive move towards Taiwan at this very moment.
2:24
But the sand is running through the hourglass.
2:26
This is on, um, on his, uh, hit list, and he does wanna hit Taiwan before too many years pass.
2:33
Uh, where do people go to get your book, sir? Where do they go to get your writings, and particularly this brilliant piece that was in the New York Post the other day?
49:15
Can you explain what you meant, sir?
49:16
sir?Well, I mean, Steve, that it's, it's shocking on Beijing, and it has been since Trump took office.
49:23
Uh, the, uh, the tariffs took a huge bite out of their, uh, their ill-gotten, you know, trade profits.
49:28
And then it was, uh, uh, Panama.
49:30
We're going to kick, uh, Hutchinson Whampoa out of Panama.
49:33
That has now happened.
49:35
In fact, the Panamanian Supreme Court has said that, that, that the contract was void ab initio, which means from the beginning.
51:39
[laughs]
2:11
Is that concerning you at all? That people are implying that we're leaving Taiwan vulnerable?
2:17
Well, it certainly concerns me that Taiwan would be vulnerable.
2:20
I think it's one of the reasons why the Taiwanese parliament has come back into session and is going to approve a huge arms purchase from the United States.
2:28
We need to be able to fulfill that order, of course, which means maybe the Defense Production Act that Brandon mentioned.
2:35
we've got to start producing weapons for our allies at a faster rate and for ourselves as well.
2:41
Over the short term, I think that things in China are in such chaos now with Xi Jinping cashiering one general after another that we don't really have to worry about an aggressive move towards Taiwan at this very moment.
2:54
But the sand is running through the hourglass.
3:03
Where do people go to get your book, sir? Where do they go to get your writings, particularly this brilliant piece that was in the New York Post the other day?
57:32
Can you explain we got about three minutes here? I'm gonna keep you through the break Can you explain what you meant sir?
57:38
Well, I mean, Steve, that it's shock and awe in Beijing, and it has been since Trump took office.
57:44
The tariffs took a huge bite out of their ill-gotten trade profits.
57:48
And then it was Panama.
57:51
We're going to kick Hutchinson Wampoa out of Panama.
57:54
That has now happened.
57:55
In fact, the Panamanian Supreme Court has said that the contract was void ab initio, which means from the beginning.
13:56
I hate to drill down on this detail, but why we stopped supporting Chiang Kai-shek? Why, why, when we were so interested, allegedly, in making sure other countries didn't fall to communism, why would we all of a sudden withhold critical support to the group that would have been an ally?
14:16
Well, uh, remember, we're talking about World War II and the end of World War II, uh, with the surrender of Japan.
14:24
Uh, we wanted peace to come to the world, and we had been told by people in the State Department, who were sympathizers, uh, with Mao Zedong and the Communist Chinese, that they really weren't com- communists.
14:42
Uh, they were merely agrarian reformers.
14:44
They simply wanted to, to take the land away from people who own too much and give it to people who own too little, and once they finish that, e- everything would be fine.
14:54
Mao Zedong capitalized on that.
14:56
He took advantage of, of leftists like Edgar Snow, uh, who came to his capital, Mao's capital, Yan'an, in North China, and wrote a book called Red Star Over China, in which he portrayed, uh, [chuckles] uh, Chairman Mao as, as some sort of wonderful character who would bring goodness and light, uh, to China.

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23:00
What's the Great Leap Forward? What's he do first?
76:20
You see a bigger story here.
76:22
Oh, there's absolutely a bigger story.
76:23
You see, China is a resource-poor country.
76:26
People um, need to understand it can't feed itself.
76:29
It can't provide enough petroleum, gas, natural gas, uh, to fuel its, uh, economic machine, much less its military.
76:35
So it has to get those resources from somewhere, and if you cut off those resources, you cripple China, and you prevent it from behaving aggressively, and that's exactly what Donald Trump and his team are doing.
76:48
In fact, there, uh, there's an ancient Chinese strategist, we call him Sun Tzu in Chinese, some people here would say Sun Tzu, who said, "The, the best general does not win 50 battles, uh, uh, 50 wars and 50, 50 fights.
81:38
Steve, what would... how would you characterize the Chinese presence in Cuba?
48:51
Why would I talk about China?
48:54
Oh, I think we gotta start with China because China's behind all kinds of terrorist attacks on the United States, both directly and through surrogates.
49:02
Uh, you wanna talk about Antifa, the riots back in 2020, the Houston Chinese Consulate was, was encouraging people to join the rioters and actually bringing in, uh, undercover agents from China under diplomatic cover to help, uh, to help provoke those demonstrations.
49:20
Uh, that's, that's terrorism.
49:21
We now know Antifa's gonna be a terrorist organization, is a terrorist organization, and is going to be tracked as such.
49:28
Uh, let's talk about fentanyl.
49:29
Fentanyl is, is, you know, chemical terrorism against the American population.
51:33
So please connect these dots for me 'cause I can't make sense of it.
42:12
What's going on?
42:13
Well, what, what's going on is, is first of all, before the delegation, Scott Bassan and, and, and Greer left for Switzerland, uh, Trump said that, you know, the tariff rate should be around 80%, but it's up to Bassan.
42:28
So, the Chinese were already worried that they were gonna get hit with permanent 80% tariffs, and so they agreed to our demands.
42:35
What were our demands? Well, well, first of all, you know, the Trump tariffs reminded China who's in charge, right? Many nations reached out immediately.
42:43
Uh, China delayed, remaining defiant for two weeks, while factories shut down and urban unemployment skyrocketed, but they finally, they finally came around.
42:53
Uh, look, uh, thousands of Chinese businesses have shuttered and failed every day over the last two weeks.
42:58
Uh, this last week, I checked Shenzhen and Zhejiang, those two big export centers.
46:01
What are they worried about if some Chinese peasants are out of work? Why does it matter?
27:19
There's no way they have this kind of money.
27:20
Well, the only way they have this kind of money is from the, the export sector of the economy, right? The things that they produce using virtual serf labor, slave labor actually, and, and produce goods very...
27:32
You know, if you have slaves, you can produce goods very cheaply, especially if they're hardworking, uh, people like the Chinese who have great work ethic.
27:40
And, and these people are being worked, uh, seven days a week, 12 hours a day and, and amazing shifts, uh, lengthy shifts that Americans wouldn't tolerate.
27:47
Uh, they can't organize labor unions, they can't strike for higher wages.
27:51
Uh, if they object, they're met with police force.
27:54
Uh, so, uh, you know, they, they, they work long and hard for, for, for slave wages.

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33:06
They have to do something, right?

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