Steven Pifer

I'm Gavin Esler, and this is Not a Drill.

[upbeat music] I'm delighted to be joined by Steven Pifer, Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution and Director of Brookings Arms Control Initiative.

He's also, as I mentioned, a former US ambassador to Ukraine.

Steven, welcome to This Is Not a Drill.

[laughs] I think, uh, we understand the difficulties here that we're all experiencing.

Thank you, Gavin.

Steven Pifer there, former US Ambassador to Ukraine, now Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution Center on the United States and Europe, and Director of Brookings Arms Control Initiative.

I'm Gavin Esler.