Steve Shirley

And obviously, great male leaders have done that as well.

One of the people, one of my articles on my website is about Stephanie, Steve Shirley.

She called herself Steve, so she would get in the room.

She was built a software company in the 1960s, 70s.

The other thing I love that Tim says is this, "Sometimes the baggage is meant to be there to help you go forward." This is very much a lesson carried by my next guest, but one it took her many years to understand.

Dame Stephanie Shirley, or Steve as everyone knows her, died last August very sadly at the age of 91.

Well, I was fortunate enough to sit down with her a few months before her death, and Steve was five years old when she was put on a train by her parents.

She spent much of the next 86 years trying to justify being on it.