Um, but yeah, the people are-- things are a little bit tough out there, a bit tougher out there, and people are being a bit tighter with their spend and, well, a bit more savvy, I would say.
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Chris NortonHOST
11:38
Um, so in their own words, you've got here a quote from Steve Salvin, which is the CEO of, um, and founder of, of...
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Chris NortonHOST
11:44
I can't read that.
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Chris NortonHOST
11:45
I am me.
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