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I mean...

Yes.

Okay.

Well, being a musician, but I, uh, but there's also, like, for, I, I wanna talk a bit more about that because I think there's this idea that using the word music as a verb, right? To, to music and, and, and that's something that I'm very passionate about, uh, uh, when I talk about in my podcast a lot is getting people to actively engage their ears.

So d- I think there's often a conflation between playing an instrument and being musical, if you like.

Now, those two things are obviously...

And let's have some ...

I really love spending money.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

I'm fascinated by water and sound.

And as you mentioned, Beck, I also increasingly these days seem to spend a lot of my life playing shells, again, because I hate money.

Kind of conch shells and similar shells like that are played like a brass instrument.

So I do that a lot.

yeah so the sound of the air in the water is louder than the sound that the instrument makes so to speak

Still time.

Well, we haven't mentioned, but we wanna mention the, the brilliant Hackney Colliery Band, the, Steve's band leader of, of them.

Uh, he's also got a great podcast called Steve Pretty On the Origin of the Pieces.

But yeah, we wanna get into the, the evolution of music.

And you've got some gadgetry to get into with that, haven't you? Yeah, I have.

I mean, uh, the, one of the reasons I think I'm so obsessed with the, the, the evolution of music in, is, is, th- it's a very strange thing to do with your life, pl- making sort of weird noises out of bits of plumbing, um, or then, you know, electronic toys or whatever else.

It's a, it's ...

Is that fair to say?