Steve Odland

There we go.

Now, I wanna go, uh, bring in the CEO of the Conference Board, and that is Steve Odland.

And we are tracking, you know, amongst many things, the state of the consumer, uh, what it all means for, uh, the markets.

And Steve, you're out.

Good to see you, man.

Before I get into your survey, survey a little bit on, on CEO pay, how, and I think the Journal had a good story on this this week, how is consumer confidence tanking and consumer spending is staying intact?

Credit cards are being maxed out, even with the interest rates rising where they are.

You know, at some point, it's not gonna solve because, you know, the, you, you can't do that forever.