And

yeah, I eventually, because it's Brent Busberg, give him the notes.

And we're in the middle of a break.

I'm assuming he's going to give those notes back to me when we come back from the commercial.

And so I was like, give him my notes.

He's like, no, we're just going to have a conversation from here on out.

He's like, we didn't hire you.

topic of older mentors, can you kind of compare similarities and differences between your dad and John Wooden, like two major impacts in your life? And I'm sure both very wise people, but they approached it differently in some ways.