I know you have a lot of things to be proud of, so.

Yeah.

Um, the, like, I would have never guessed we were, we would have gotten where we are now.

Um, but honestly, when we began, like field work was, was nowhere, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't like on the horizon.

It wasn't even really a thought in the back of our minds at the time.

And, um, So I think what was really cool, and this kind of opened up a lot of the other opportunities, but it was in the spring of 2015.

I got a call from Rick Hudson, who at the time was the president of the TSA.

How do you think that podcasting and live streaming helped you foster a more positive and educated turtle community?

But what was it about learning about management due diligence that maybe that you even continue to learn from and grow from grow with?

Yeah, you know, I've been involved in technical due diligence for over 30 years.

And probably 15 years ago, one of the things that my partners and I did, we founded a private equity company.

in the copper space.

It was a company called Cooper Canyon Capital.

And at the time, the major limited partner was Barclays Natural Resource Investments.

And a man named Dave Ellis was the lead for that.

Yeah.