I'm coming

to lunch.

Yeah.

But again, like all those sort of themes, it's all about promoting self-awareness and understand your own behaviours and how that can impact things.

And I think that sort of stuff has been really important where I've led finance shared service centres within that time.

And even now in the role that I do now where inverted commas, kind of the proper job days are behind me, but I kind of, I mean that in a joke, kind of did at one point or another, probably every role you can do in a finance function, maybe not so much in tax and treasury, but didn't really have the kind of the interest as much in that space.

um and then i kind of naturally cut to this point which is you know do i want to carry on progress do i want to be a cfo for example and i kind of thought well actually i just got to a point where i wanted to do something different and then i was kind of lucky enough to find a kind of conversation with the hacker group so now i kind of get to work with you know lots of different member companies talking about finance and accounting best practices and just you know sharing my experience across doing that with lots of different organizations as well.

So I'm curious, Steve, what was it that drove you to leave? I think,