Mm-hmm.

And it, and I love it, but there's something different between speaking on a stage for, let's say, an hour, and going on that walk of growth with somebody.

And a couple of years ago, I realized, you know what? That's, that's what really lights my soul on fire.

That's what I love.

I- it's not just telling people how to do it, but being on the journey with them.

So a couple of years ago, we started opening up these containers of growth.

Obviously, they're called No Matter What Adventure Retreats, where either in Colorado or somewhere around the world, we bring a small group together to move through a transformational process that is not just powerful, but really profound.

Mm-hmm.