The moment a follower is led to remember abuse, that the people accused say never happened, it starts, Stephen says, with a checklist anyone would pass.

The other thing is, I think that the diagnosing, again, this comes to reframing, I think, or framing.

So if I say, look out for this symptom, this means that this thing has happened to you.

So this sort of thing happened with the satanic panic going back many years where people were convinced they'd had all sorts of horrible things happen to them.

And there was a kind of assumption that this thing had happened.

Therefore, all you've got to do is find a way of remembering it.

And then, you know, if you've got this, if you're feeling, if you ever feel a bit nervous, if you ever feel like you don't know where you're going, if you ever feel like you're confused about yourself and your identity, if you ever feel that there's times when you are so angry, you know, you could throw something.

Before the easy contempt, how could anyone fall for this? Stephen offers the answer, and it's about all of us.