Stephen M. Cutler

Again, I was not part of the team that was looking into that.

Question you mentioned, this made it up to the general counsel, Stephen Cutler.

Did you discuss the matter with Stephen Cutler? Answer, at one point in time, yes.

I think as Epstein's problems built, he hired some very recognized lawyers, and I recall that I suggested Steve meet with him.

Question, why did you suggest that? Answer, so the bank would make an informed decision as to whether to keep Epstein or not as a client.

Question, in October of 2011, Stephen Cutler complained to you and others that Epstein was not an honorable person in any way and he should not be a client.

How did you respond? Answer, again, I let the bank do what the bank felt was proper.

Question, did you say anything at that moment in response to him though? Answer, I think that's when he had people like Ken Starr represent him and just suggested that Steve meet with Ken Starr.

Again, I was not part of the team that was looking into that.

Question you mentioned, this made it up to the general counsel, Stephen Cutler.

Did you discuss the matter with Stephen Cutler? Answer, at one point in time, yes.

I think as Epstein's problems built, he hired some very recognized lawyers, and I recall that I suggested Steve meet with him.

Question, why did you suggest that? Answer, so the bank would make an informed decision as to whether to keep Epstein or not as a client.

Question, in October of 2011, Stephen Cutler complained to you and others that Epstein was not an honorable person in any way and he should not be a client.

How did you respond? Answer, again, I let the bank do what the bank felt was proper.

Question, did you say anything at that moment in response to him though? Answer, I think that's when he had people like Ken Starr represent him and just suggested that Steve meet with Ken Starr.

I started my career with...

when I was at Nextel and worked with a woman who has spent a lot of time working with Dr. Albert Deming, who's creative sort of Sigma 7 and the systems thinking, a lot of time working with Shaman, you know, Stephen Cutler as well around sort of his work around flow and creativity and sort of what are the neuro aesthetics around sort of how do you build a full system of, you know, your work as a founder is not disconnected from your personal life.

So for example, I have two founders in the past One of my first questions is, let's talk about your life.

Are you married? Are you single? Do you have kids? If you have one founder that's married, his kids are going to college, another founder that's married or about to have a kid, they're very different phrases of their lives.