Stephen Jin-Woo Kim

Not to go after spies or traitors or saboteurs, but to go after whistleblowers.

And I saw them, I saw this pattern emerging with Tom Drake's case, but then- With Stephen Kim and Jeffrey Sterling and you.

And then after that, it continued.

I thought it was an anomaly, but then it became more normalized and the US started creating precedent, and then they used it on Snowden significantly in 2013, and then Reality Winner.

Example number three, May 28, 2010.

In the Stephen Kim leak case, some of you will remember this, an FBI agent's sealed search warrant affidavit described Fox News' James Rosen as a, quote, as an, quote, aider and a better and or co-conspirator, end quote, under the Espionage Act.

Language that let the Department of Justice seize his personal email.

Oh, let's get in there and see who he's writing to.

We gotta restrict who can tell American citizens what's going on." And on the right, people see mainstream media outlets and, uh, and, and institutional bias and say, "Well, it'd be good if we could stop them from being so biased and have other things maybe spring up." And so, uh, it's an odd question to ask because people from both sides have different reasons for their particular answers.

Uh, I, I, I thought inside this concern about, uh, uh, um, 44% of Americans think the press has become less free during the second Trump administration, uh, less free after an Obama administration that did more than almost any other administration to clamp down on the press between prosecuting Stephen Kim, uh, between, uh, uh, seizing phone records for the Associated Press, going after both James Risen and James Rosen.

If you're a James out there, be very careful-

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