Stephen Hopkins

Well, and the contrast is stark and foundational.

So you had, let's take one of the ancestors that I speak about more than many for a He was on the Mayflower named Stephen Hopkins.

Who was he? He is quite an interesting character, but his profession, his work was as a water courier on the Thames River and then as a tavern owner.

So tavern owner, everyone will understand.

My family dates back to Mayflower.

OK, so my my Stephen Hopkins is my descendant from the Mayflower.

My mom is like a we could call her an amateur genealogist.

I mean, she has a master's degree in special education, but, you know, she didn't get a degree in genealogy, but she's very focused on genetics.