Stephen D. Phinney

Uh, so I wanna touch on multiple of those heresies, not just so that you know they exist.

I wanna get to the point where y-you not only could pass a test of say, Steve Phinney believes X, and then Y, and the Z, but that you maybe realize that there's some credibility to that, to my arguments on each of those components.

'Cause, you know, as a, the, the healthcare instructor in, in medical education in the US for twenty years, I learned that you can teach people knowledge that can pass the test, but you don't change their belief structure in just briefly deciding, here's a paper that shows X.

And in tests, unless you can change people's beliefs, you can't change their behaviors.

That's hard for the layperson to understand, so we do depend on people like yourself.

And then when you hear from these other people, I interviewed Stephen Phinney.

I don't know if you know who he is, Dr. Stephen Phinney, but he was the one that was like, "Oh, I, I want my LDL in the 100s, and this is why.

And we want higher LDL, and it's not the bad guy that people think that it is." And his book was over 400 pages, and I couldn't get through it.

[laughs] I was just like, wow.