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Statesman
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Oct 28, 2026
Madison’s Notes: Plato the Lawgiver: On Ancient Constitutionalism with Melissa Lane
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8:32Melissa LaneGUEST
So I think I have a lot of respect for alternative interpretations, and I've learned a lot from them.
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8:37Melissa LaneGUEST
When I started working on Plato, I worked on his dialogue, The Statesman, and really the only readings in English at that time, I was also reading in other languages, but especially in English, the only interpretations were by people who in various ways were Straussian, and I learned a lot from their reading.
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8:53Melissa LaneGUEST
So I don't come to this saying there's no value.
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8:56Melissa LaneGUEST
On the Republic, where I would differ from Strauss is that I think he raises some important questions about some of the aspects of the society, as you mentioned, the breeding program, questions about how far the society could go in for the ruling guardians, depriving them of familial ties and even of knowing who their kin members are.
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38:01Melissa LaneGUEST
I don't think we can place it for sure.
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38:03Melissa LaneGUEST
And certainly other visitors and other dialogues who are unnamed, we can't really identify them.
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38:10Ryan SchinkelHOST
You mentioned that your original form of study was in Plato's Statesman, and this forms a core part of your book.
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38:16Ryan SchinkelHOST
Can you tell me a bit about that dialogue?
Timaeus-Plato (Πλάτων)
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133:31David HoustonNARRATOR
Nor are there wanting in Plato, who was himself too often the victim of them, impressive admonitions that we should regard not words but things.
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133:40David HoustonNARRATOR
Compare Statesman 261e.
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133:44David HoustonNARRATOR
But upon the whole the ancients, though not entirely dominated by them, were much more subject to the influence of words than the moderns.
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133:51David HoustonNARRATOR
They had no clear divisions of colors or substances.
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239:26Patty CunninghamNARRATOR
We may fill up the lacunae of the Timaeus by the help of the Republic or Phaedrus.
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239:31Patty CunninghamNARRATOR
We may identify the same another with the Paras and Apeiron of the Philebus.
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239:37Patty CunninghamNARRATOR
We may find in the Laws or in the Statesman parallels with the account of creation and of the first origin of man.
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239:44Patty CunninghamNARRATOR
It would be possible to frame a scheme in which all these various elements might have a place, but such a mode of proceeding would be unsatisfactory because we have no reason to suppose that Plato intended his scattered thoughts to be collected in a system.
Alcibiades I-Plato (Πλάτων)
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5:52Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Nor must we forget that in all his numerous citations from the Platonic writings, he never attributes any passage found in the extant dialogues to anyone but Plato.
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6:04Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
And lastly, we may remark that one or two great writings, such as the Parmenides and the Politicus, which are wholly devoid of aristotelian one credentials may be fairly attributed to plato on the ground of two length three excellence and four accordance with the general spirit of his writings indeed the greater part of the evidence for the genuineness of ancient greek authors may be summed up under two heads only one excellence and two uniformity of tradition a kind of evidence which though in many cases sufficient is of inferior value proceeding upon these principles we appear to arrive at the conclusion that nineteen twentieths of all the writings which have ever been ascribed to plato are undoubtedly genuine there is another portion of them including the epistles the eponymous the dialogues rejected by the ancients themselves namely the axiochus de justo de virtut demodocus sisyphus eryxias which on grounds both of internal and external evidence we are able with equal certainty to reject but there still remains a small portion of which we are unable to affirm either that they are genuine or spurious they may have been written in youth or possibly like the works of some painters may be partly or wholly the compositions of pupils or they may have been the writings of some contemporary transferred by accident to the more celebrated name of plato or of some platonist in the next generation who aspired to imitate his master not that on grounds either of language or philosophy we should lightly reject them some difference of style or inferiority of execution or inconsistency of thought can hardly be considered decisive of their spurious character for who always does justice to himself or who writes with equal care at all times certainly not plato who exhibits the greatest differences in dramatic power in the formation of sentences and in the use of words if his earlier writings are compared with his later ones say the protagoras or phaedrus with the laws or who can be expected to think in the same manner during a period of authorship extending over above fifty years, in an age of great intellectual activity, as well as of political and literary transition, certainly not Plato, whose earlier writings are separated from his later ones by as wide an interval of philosophical speculation as that which separates his later writings from Aristotle.
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8:58Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
The dialogues which have been translated in the first appendix, and which appear to have the next claim to genuineness among the Platonic writings, are the Lesser Hippias, the Menexenus or Funeral Oration, the First Alcibiades.
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9:14Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Of these, the Lesser Hippias and the Funeral Oration are cited by Aristotle, the first in the Metaphysics, the latter in the Rhetoric.
Alcibiades I-Plato (Πλάτων)
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5:12Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Nor must we forget that in all his numerous citations from the Platonic writings, he never attributes any passage found in the extant dialogues to anyone but Plato.
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5:24Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
And lastly, we may remark that one or two great writings, such as the Parmenides and the Politicus, which are wholly devoid of Aristotelian, one, credentials, may be fairly attributed to Plato on the ground of, two, length, three, excellence, and four, accordance with the general spirit of his writings.
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5:46Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Indeed, the greater part of the evidence for the genuineness of ancient Greek authors may be summed up under two heads only, one, excellence, and two, uniformity of tradition, a kind of evidence which, though in many cases sufficient, is of inferior value.
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6:06Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Proceeding upon these principles, we appear to arrive at the conclusion that nineteen twentieths of all the writings which have ever been ascribed to Plato are undoubtedly genuine.
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15:15Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
They may be altogether spurious.
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15:18Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
That is an alternative which must be frankly admitted.
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15:21Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Nor can we maintain of some other dialogues, such as the Parmenides and the Sophist and Politicus, that no considerable objection can be urged against them, though greatly overbalanced by the weight, chiefly, of internal evidence in their favor.
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15:39Kevin JohnsonNARRATOR
Nor, on the other hand, can we exclude a bare possibility that some dialogues which are usually rejected, such as the Greater Hippias and the Cleitophon, may be genuine.