What got you into music originally? Where'd that love for it come from?

When I was a little boy, that's the first thing that I wanted to be.

I drew myself as, like, a Backstreet Boy, and I was like, "I'm gonna be a singer.

I'm just gonna be that." There was no other option.

There's nothing else that I was gonna do.

I've never thought about being anything else.

I was so obsessed with bell-bottoms, and I bought my first pair of bell-bottoms.

Mm.

It's up many notch.

Yeah.

They, they love it.

They love it so much.

Uh, I, sometimes I have to like tell my mom, like when I send her a new song, you can't send this to like your friends, but she's so proud.

Like she's like so into it.

And, uh, They're the reason that I have such an eclectic music taste.

How do you write? Like, do you have an idea of a sound? Like when you're saying like the, and the harmonies are stacked and this is going to be like this anthem, like, do you start with like a sound or you're like, this is the message that I want to communicate? Or like, is it something like, how do you write?

How, what was your relationship like to yourself during that time mentally?

Um, you know, it was always interesting because I, I, yeah, I was, I was always kind of like, like I was born, I think I was like 11 pounds when I was born.

Like I was a big baby.

Yeah.

And I just had kind of a messed up relationship with food when I was a kid.

I just like, and still do, I think for life, but, uh, Now I've figured out how to like control it, work out every day and everything.

But I think when I – it like definitely messed with me a lot.

pandemic, everybody stopped giving a fuck a little bit,

Like, that energy.

Life's a bowl of cherries.

Mixed with mold and berries.

That came from Virgin Mary.

No umbilical.

Holy prophet stare it.

The boys and girls all scare me.

And also you wanna defend yourself, you know? It's like-