know it's like picking up a skateboard at first you hate it because you fall all the time but then that first time you successfully make that hill i remember it i mean it was 1982. i remember i remember the feeling when i made it to the bottom of the hill and the shutter on a camera is very similar for me so do you do you remember when that that time came when you realized like this is something i want to incorporate into my life as something i'm going to do for a very long time

I don't know if I have an exact aha moment.

I picked up a camera junior year of high school.

My dad had an old Pentax spot Matic old M 42 for anyone out there.

I still have it.

I think it's over here somewhere.

50 mil.

But do you have any advice for people who are just getting started?

So do you, do you remember when that, that time came, when you realized like, "This is something I wanna incorporate into my life as something I'm gonna do for a very long time"?

I don't know if I have an exact aha moment.

I picked up a camera junior year of high school.

My dad had an old Pentax Spotmatic, old M42 for anyone out there.

I still have it.

I think it's over here somewhere.

Little 50 mil.

[laughs]