Speakers' Corner

And people brought food like a picnic.

And there was a moment I looked over and one of the guys, you know, Hyde Park has got a little corner called Speaker's Corner where you can go and stand and make a speech.

You know, anybody.

And my son was, my eldest was, how old was he now? I forget, he wasn't that old.

Where they go and...

Speaker's Corner.

Yeah, Speaker's

Corner.

He said his most common question was, why does God send pain? And Soper really welcomed argument.

He didn't like what he saw in his later years as the transformation of Speaker's Corner and Hyde Park in particular to be taken over by these people who were just bellowing their – rants and thoughts sort of in a one-way direction or that the hecklers were just there to shut you down he wanted the back and forth he said i'm by no means thin-skinned i enjoy argument and he would tell his audience you are under no obligation to stay mum in fact you are invited to heckle and his repartee with hecklers became legendary.

And sometimes they got the better of him, and sometimes he got the better of them.

In one case where I think they got the better of him, and I think it is a compliment to Soper that he used to like to tell this story.

an alcoholics dry house for recovering alcoholics and so on.

And so he was very focused in that community.

He did his open air preaching in Tower Hill and eventually in Hyde Park in Speaker's Corner.

He did his radio ministry every week.

People think that the Muslim world, that the Ummah operates as one consistent body, as one consistent movement without a lot of fragmentary forces.

And it's at the likes of people like Muhammad Hijab and Ali Dawa who live in the country that you live in, who have done all their wonderful work in Hyde Park at Speaker's Corner, who made it seem like really this is a force to be reckoned with.

But if you actually study the Muslim world the way that I do, and you try to understand their way of life, you read the Quran, you understand the different sects between Shia, Sufi, Sunni, Ahmadi, Alawi that exist inside of the Muslim world, you start realizing, oh, wait, wait, wait.

This group is its own worst enemy more than any Jew or Christian or Westerner could ever be.

It doesn't make any sense.

We've tried so hard to coax up to the Europeans and the Americans who ended up stabbing us in the back anyways.

and i'm not saying this is a blank statement against europeans and americans i love europeans and americans but governments have abandoned us all together and we're seeing the that relationship get stressed thin instead of trying to do hasbara to explain and go on the defense and no no i'm this good jew and i'm this i open up and i say them i'm a shaytan i'm the devil you know i'm a demon now deal with me i'm attacking you i'm attacking your way of life dispel what i'm saying answer me boy same concept that uh muhammad hijab and ali dawa would do in hyde park in speaker's corner we go on the offense completely we come and attack their way of life we attack their hypocrisy we attack their morality we make them stand on the defense we make them twist into hasbara where they always have to explain why muslim countries are doing this why people are doing this why was jesus a jew why was all these things that they're hypocritical like they hate jews but they're also a christian how that doesn't make sense um and i believe that's the way for the future leading with an offensive not being defensive we should attack first and ask questions later Yeah,

I think for far too long, we have been precisely, as you said, on the defensive, apologetic.

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i where i worked sorry to interrupt again where i worked they've covered an area called Speaker's Corner which is at Hyde Park in the UK and the argument has been that traditionally you can go down and talk about any literally get a box and stand on it and you can say anything you fucking like this is a complete and utter freedom of speech argument

alright

so then it comes down to if a person there on their box says I have a knife and I will give my knife to this person in front of me and I instruct this person to run over there and stab people that's provocative And therefore, the police who do watch these things say, if that person does something like that, we must be able to step in with the protection of the law and remove the knife, even though that person didn't need to take the knife and that person.