hustle up more work

in a sense and maybe that might work in a global sense you know if you're someone that's specializing more and doing the remote tracking for people around the world like then of course yeah absolutely if you're if you're targeting a certain Region if you're targeting Latin America or something and it's probably to have good idea to have a buddy who speaks good Spanish who can get on the social media who knows those artists and who can reach out and be like, hey, we want to work together, but I Mean, honestly, it's it but that's just not how it works in session world.

It's a lot of the time producers will call directly because they're the people you generally have the most relationship with as the person who's actually putting the record together and making it happen and And a lot of the time with most of us, there's people that we go back 10, 20 plus years of history of friendship.

It's people that we came up together with in the industry.

We played in bands with.

Or it's just someone who you've never met before and never worked with and they want to try something new and they've just heard something and they've got a recommendation from.

A lot of the time they'll ask the session leader who they'd like to have on the session.

I was looking, because I've seen that you're doing producing and stuff, and you've done it for, I mean, a long time, like 15 years or so?

yeah what does that gradual process look like dude like was there a way to uh gas it a little bit and like kind of move it along like what were you doing during that time to increase the volume of gigs

yeah i think um i think it's well i think it just sort of the the work comes naturally and and i think like most players will attest to this it's like if you just sort of put the energy out there that you're wanting to do certain things and you You know, you don't need to try too hard, but if you just focus your energy towards certain things, it's like they will come to you if you're patient.

And it really started with me with just a couple, one or two friends.

I'd call them clients, but really they were friends who were at the same stages in their careers as I was, but they were songwriters and producers.

They were... people who'd been in town the same amount of time, and they were trying to get signed.

They weren't published writers or anything yet.

They weren't signed producers, but they were working with people out of their houses, and they were just trying to make the best sounding recordings on a budget.

What prompted that? What prompted that move?