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Sep 14, 2026

Mike EtchartHOST
7:20
Suno says it is retiring all of its previous models as part of this rollout.
Mike EtchartHOST
7:25
The company still faces ongoing litigation from Universal Music Group, Sony Music, SOCAN, and CODA, and recently lost a copyright case in Germany brought by GEMA.
Jay GilbertHOST
7:36
Right.
Jay GilbertHOST
7:36
So here's what you need to know.
MarkHOST
1:10
I'm kicking myself hard.
MarkHOST
1:13
I should have registered with SoCan way back when, which I did not.
MarkHOST
1:20
But I should have registered with SoCan way back when.
MarkHOST
1:23
And I should have recorded an intro to this, musical intro to this.
MarkHOST
1:29
And then I would get pennies for every freaking download.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
23:27
But always for the life of the deal, I will collect 100% of the revenue except for your writer's share of performance.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
23:33
Yes? From SOCAN.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
23:35
But everything else I collect, put your 75, not my inclusive of 25, put your 75 towards your recoupment, but once you're whole, You get a check, we continue our relationship, or your copyright will revert to you.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
23:49
And I retain, as a publisher, that 25%.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
25:35
And I could certainly rant about radio and streaming because they run it like a record company and get away with ripping publishers and writers off.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
25:46
because they pay micro pennies.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
25:48
The model is exactly like terrestrial radio who pays 2.3% of their gross advertising revenue to a collective like SOCAN and the streamers like Spotify get away with murder and paying nothing.
Jennifer BeavisGUEST
26:00
And yet their model is still the same with curated playlists.
Jeff LastHOST
86:50
And Sokan isn't just making some vague argument that AI is bad for musicians.
Jeff LastHOST
86:54
They're actually site 150 tracks that Sumo have generated using all or... substantially all the existing SOCAN songs without permission.
Jeff LastHOST
87:04
This is important because it brings up the biggest question facing the music industry right now, which is, can I be trained on human music to create a catalog of competing songs that imitate and appropriate and plagiarize those songs without ever getting consent from the original human creators? And here's where it gets really interesting because the day before Sokan filed it, Jason Isbell, the American musician, filed suit against Suno in his own case in the United States.
Jeff LastHOST
87:29
It took a different angle.
Vickie MorganHOST
44:27
... and f- I think it's an etiquette thing.
Vickie MorganHOST
44:29
I'm not gonna share Evan Aucoin's entire song, because he came to an open mic, and I don't, I don't pay into SOCAN, and so he's not gonna get paid if we put his whole song on the internet.
Vickie MorganHOST
44:39
And that's-
Josh MorganHOST
44:39
Yeah
Terry EvansHOST
38:57
I don't know.
Terry EvansHOST
38:58
That's the thing with through these websites, they take care of all that stuff with SOCAN and ASCAP and, you know, all that.
Terry EvansHOST
39:05
Right.
Terry EvansHOST
39:05
Everything is on the up and up and you don't have to...
Aaron RandHOST
0:03
When I say a little bit of time, a lot of time.
Aaron RandHOST
0:05
But then interesting story, really over the past week or so, we're hearing a couple of reactions in the music business specifically, where there are a couple of different suits from what I understand in the U.S. And now we're dealing with something here in Canada, which is SOCAN.
Aaron RandHOST
0:19
which basically is the agency responsible for getting people paid for music that belongs to them.
Aaron RandHOST
0:26
I'll get our guest to explain it better.
Aaron RandHOST
0:27
Alexandre Alonso is Vice President of Quebec and Francophone Affairs at SOCAN, and he is on the line.
Aaron RandHOST
0:33
Alex, first of all, thank you for being here.
Aaron RandHOST
0:35
Explain what it is that SOCAN does for people who don't know.
Alexandre AlonsoGUEST
0:38
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Jeremy BradleyHOST
26:33
really right so not only are you entertained with this good music but there's this it's not subliminal messaging but certainly it's this it's a marketing where you're you know you're singing along to whatever sprinkle me this and the song is about the decadent donut blend coffee from buff boy brewing so you don't even realize that it's basically a two and a half minute ad for the coffee and it's a state it's a it's a radio station that's streaming this and the songs are on spotify and tick tock and youtube and apple music one big giant marketing machine a radio station so we have buff boy brewing coffee which was the initial product and then club buff which was a downloadable app and then we spun that off into buff radio which also streams through the buffer buff club buff app So now we make money with ads in the app.
Jeremy BradleyHOST
27:30
We make money with, because the music, by the way, just to go back, because our company is a broadcaster in Canada, we're licensed and we're part of SOCAN, which is the Song and Composition Artists, I can't remember, anyway.
Jeremy BradleyHOST
27:42
But I'm not the writers union, but while I'm part of the writers union, yes, but you know, our music is licensed.
Jeremy BradleyHOST
27:48
So every time it streams on somebody's, everybody, every, every time somebody uses it on their TikTok page or YouTube or whatever it is, or streams it, we're paid for that.
Dan RuncieHOST
1:39
Here's what I mean.
Dan RuncieHOST
1:41
On one hand, on the music side, it seems like every week there is another major rights holder that is suing one of the generative AI music companies, whether it is SOCAN, the Canadian rights group, or Roundhill Music, or Jason Isbell and other songwriters directly themselves.
Dan RuncieHOST
1:58
A lot of them have taken lawsuits up in recent weeks that have generated headlines.
Dan RuncieHOST
2:03
There has been comments from UDO, Suno, and others about their continued defense for fair use.
John MooreCORRESPONDENT
18:54
The song we were just listening to was actually created through AI by a friend of mine, a guy named Mohit Rajans, who's an AI expert.
John MooreCORRESPONDENT
19:03
And he did it just on the occasion of the fact that SOCAN, which is the organization that tries to enforce the rights of songwriters, is sounding the alarm about AI.
John MooreCORRESPONDENT
19:13
And the thing is, like, i i've listened to a few ai songs and some of them are perfectly good so i think who really cares what the origin is but so can's objection and songwriters objections are that in order to create it you have to feed in you know the entire universe of pop music for example and so it's actually pilfering it's sampling from that stuff in order to create the songs it creates
Andrew CarterHOST
19:40
I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep because I was wondering where do Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift live?

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